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Old 03-24-2022, 02:26 PM
 
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Those are reasonable rules, in fact stock exchanges should tighten their rules to fight speculation permanently. Like by disabling selling stocks within 30 days. A stock exchange should not be a casino.

No, they are not reasonable. It is not reasonable to allow trades in one direction but not the other. While I wouldn't mind seeing short selling ended and a lot of this options nonsense curtailed, completely disallowing selling while allowing buying is not an open market.

 
Old 03-24-2022, 02:28 PM
 
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There is no reason to use chemical weapons when your winning the war.

You are in for a shock when Russia flat out loses.
 
Old 03-24-2022, 02:29 PM
 
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Have you spared a thought for the dead Ukrainian civilians while lamenting the fact that Muscovites can't use Applepay any more? Because that seems to be somewhat more of a pressing crisis, what wit the humanitarian mindset you seem to be want to bring to the thread.
From what I’ve heard from Military experts, Russia isn’t targeting civilians, after all they see the people in Donbass and Mariupol as Russians. They speak Russian, they support Russia and identify more as Russian than Ukrainian. As what happens in all wars, civilians die, enemies hide in civilians buildings and missiles miss their targets. It looks like about 1,000 civilians have reportedly died so far, it’s terrible. I hate to use this reference but in the Iraq war, around 200,000 civilians died. All war is criminal in that respect.
 
Old 03-24-2022, 02:29 PM
 
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The Russian definition, or the common one?

An excellent question, because the way Russians define what "Nazi" are, and what Americans define as "Nazism" is NOT one and the same thing.



While for Americans such definition as "Nazi" is directly connected to Jews and the Holocaust, for the RUSSIANS the word "Nazi" implies brutal force terrorizing the civilian population ( not just "the Jews") and ruthless in its military actions.
 
Old 03-24-2022, 02:32 PM
 
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You think that the typical Russian has any say in what Putin does?

There is a good chance that the sanctions have no impact on Putin's decision. They just harm Russians but with no benefit.
I recently spoke with one of my Ukrainian friends. They shared an interesting perspective. As we can witness in the documentary "Winter on Fire" which is available on Netflix and on YT, you'll see that the Ukrainians protested against their Putin-puppet president and his traitorous acts for months in 2013-2014, in the bitter cold and snow, facing the most barbaric treatment up to and including live rounds fired into crowds of civilians and people being trapped into buildings that were set on fire. I truly suggest that anyone who hasn't seen it to watch it, it documents the actual happenings and also integrates interviews with some of survivors afterwards, filmed in the same places in later, peaceful times. They stood up to their "leader" and wouldn't take no for an answer. And they prevailed - it really was a very insightful documentary.

So back to my friend. He resents the Russian people precisely because they have done nothing to stand up for themselves and face down their own tyrant, as the Ukrainians did. Instead, they rally behind the weasel faced gnome. And I'm not saying it's right or it's wrong, nor am I saying that this perspective is shared by anyone other than my Ukrainian friend. But it does show a perspective I have not yet seen shared in this thread.
 
Old 03-24-2022, 02:33 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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No, they are not reasonable. It is not reasonable to allow trades in one direction but not the other. While I wouldn't mind seeing short selling ended and a lot of this options nonsense curtailed, completely disallowing selling while allowing buying is not an open market.
Who says it should be an open market?! Especially under the current conditions? Nobody is being forced to buy stocks.
A stock exchange should be a place for investors, not for gamblers.
 
Old 03-24-2022, 02:34 PM
 
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Have you spared a thought for the dead Ukrainian civilians while lamenting the fact that Muscovites can't use Applepay any more? Because that seems to be somewhat more of a pressing crisis, what wit the humanitarian mindset you seem to be want to bring to the thread.
Wow, you like to play up the drama and play down the rational thought. Like I said, very few Russians had any say at all in this invasion. Yet, they are being punished harshly. What is the relationship between punishing the average Russian and Ukrainians being murdered by the Russian military?
 
Old 03-24-2022, 02:36 PM
 
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I recently spoke with one of my Ukrainian friends. They shared an interesting perspective. As we can witness in the documentary "Winter on Fire" which is available on Netflix and on YT, you'll see that the Ukrainians protested against their Putin-puppet president and his traitorous acts for months in 2013-2014, in the bitter cold and snow, facing the most barbaric treatment up to and including live rounds fired into crowds of civilians and people being trapped into buildings that were set on fire. I truly suggest that anyone who hasn't seen it to watch it, it documents the actual happenings and also integrates interviews with some of survivors afterwards, filmed in the same places in later, peaceful times. They stood up to their "leader" and wouldn't take no for an answer. And they prevailed - it really was a very insightful documentary.

So back to my friend. He resents the Russian people precisely because they have done nothing to stand up for themselves and face down their own tyrant, as the Ukrainians did. Instead, they rally behind the weasel faced gnome. And I'm not saying it's right or it's wrong, nor am I saying that this perspective is shared by anyone other than my Ukrainian friend. But it does show a perspective I have not yet seen shared in this thread.
I cant blame someone for looking out for their own self interests and not protesting in a country where that can land you in prison. I also understand that the people are fed a bunch of lies by the government and state controlled media, so I dont fully fault them even if they support the Russian government.

I view them as having no say in the matter, so I dont blame them or want them punished.
 
Old 03-24-2022, 02:37 PM
 
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Yesterday they said on the news that a storm has ripped a lot of mines loose, and now they are drifting in the sea, threatening any ships there, of both sides.
 
Old 03-24-2022, 02:40 PM
 
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Who says it should be an open market?! Especially under the current conditions? Nobody is being forced to buy stocks.
A stock exchange should be a place for investors, not for gamblers.

Why shouldn't it be an open market? Investors base their decisions on economic outlooks and investors should be free to modify their portfolio as they see fit when those economic outlooks change. Buying a stock is a purchase not a marriage til death do us part.


I agree with you on the stock market shouldn't be a casino for gamblers. The Russian restrictions are not intended to prevent gambling, they are intended to prevent investors from disengaging altogether.
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