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We'll see what happens. Perhaps a small token force will be left there. But if most Ukrainians are fleeing and want nothing to do with the Ukraine military, then it is unlikely that they would be rebellious to the new Ukrainian government or to Russia, who they would see as liberators.
I think after each member of nationalist party (or at least those who are under investigation, which are _many_ thousands) are relocated to either Bandera or Vorkuta / Kolyma, there will be no need for any army presence there, just Police, FSB and National Guard.
That might be the initial plan. Russia shows the power, Ukrainian Army surrender, Ukrainian politicians capitulate and are allowed to enter the United Russia party, keeping all their assets and political power in Ukraine in exchange of some little loyalty...
Now, the blood has been spelt, the doctrine reportedly has been changed. "Where Russian banner has been risen, it won't ever go down".
Sorry I can't find now the post you responded to -
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Originally Posted by BusinessManIT I guess you didn't read the post properly. Russia could have taken the city if it wanted to. But it wanted to minimize Ukrainian casualties. Russia doesn't want to take Ukraine, it just wants to demilitarize, denazify, remove the dangerous biolabs and stop the child traffickers. Once the Russian operation is over, Russian troops will leave the country.
And I agree with you again - I think the Russian plans have changed and whatever Putin ORIGINALLY planned is not going to work the way it was intended.
But then again don't forget that Putin betrayed Donbass ( and not only) back in 2014.
So now he will double down to make people forget about his blunder - that's number one, and number two - if Oleg Tzarev is in the game for real, this means that all these taken by Russia territories will be ruled in the same manner as Donbass and then some more. ( They might adjoin them to Russia after all.)
Tzarev is an intelligent man and a good politician ( it was a miracle he survived that attack by the Nationalists back in the day, at that TV station.)
But then as they say "God works in mysterious ways."
And I am a believer - that's how I look at everything what's happening, through these lenses.
I am yet to see thousands of Ukrainian civilians joining Ukrainian Army, instead of going to Poland and further out..
Primarily women and children and the elderly. Men aged 18-60 prohibited from leaving the country. One article said armed force volunteers were being given 3 days training then sent to duties not on the front lines, at least for now. Frontlines move. Others provide support functions like these ambulance drivers. That said, there was a clip today of a young man in civilian clothes who just got out of Mariupol saying many of his friends fought and were killed.
Another article indicated Ukraine has the reserve to expand its front line forces in the near future, implying ongoing training.
Donbass has been accused in the past (at least) of forcing men into militias. Well the US has done that, calling it a draft.
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Now, the blood has been spelt, the doctrine reportedly has been changed. "Where Russian banner has been risen, it won't ever go down".
If this makes you feel better go with it. Ukraine is humiliating Russia with each passing day. Russia's military has demonstrated itself as nothing more than show poodle. And the whole world is watching.
Instead of the grand "pincer maneuver" everyone was talking about, it became "pull my finger."
Pooty can take his "greater Russia" and blow it out his pirozhki.
Primarily women and children and the elderly. Men aged 18-60 prohibited from leaving the country. One article said armed force volunteers were being given 3 days training then sent to duties not on the front lines, at least for now. Frontlines move. Others provide support functions like these ambulance drivers. That said, there was a clip today of a young man in civilian clothes who just got out of Mariupol saying many of his friends fought and were killed.
Another article indicated Ukraine has the reserve to expand its front line forces in the near future, implying ongoing training.
Donbass has been accused in the past (at least) of forcing men into militias. Well the US has done that, calling it a draft.
Primarily. But a $1000 can help to change gender temporarily.
About Donbass, that is not an accusation. They called mobilization days before the war started. I did not read it was enforced though, mostly it was call for volunteers to join the army (many of whom fought in 2014-15, so weren't "untrained militia").
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Talk about ultra-nationalist rhetoric.
That was a translation of an old slogan of Russian Empire. However, you need to understand, that in Russia anyone who wants to be "Russian" can be Russian without losing his own national identity. It's like "American" used to unify all ethnicities in USA.
Only 280,000 ground forces, 200,000 committed inside Ukraine.
The Dark Lord can always provide throngs of orcs on demand. It would be highly suspicious if new battalions aren't forged in the mountains of Mordor right now.
We'll see what happens. Perhaps a small token force will be left there. But if most Ukrainians are fleeing and want nothing to do with the Ukraine military, then it is unlikely that they would be rebellious to the new Ukrainian government or to Russia, who they would see as liberators.
You are apparently unaware that Ukrainian males between the ages of 18 and 60 are not allowed to leave Ukraine.
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