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Old 03-28-2022, 07:59 AM
 
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Wow, on this thread we sure have an illustration of Putin’s full-scale "all-of society" disinformation and destabilization war utilized to "soften up" his enemies.

Astonishing, and tragic, that Vlad The Invader is getting such a powerful assist from the targeted and successfully persuaded American R right-wing types, who have clearly fallen prey to the Kremlin's influence game, and who are now doing Putin's bidding.

The weakness, ignorance and cowardice of those aiding and abetting this barbaric, anti-democratic thug, who threatens the peace and security of the planet, is downright repugnant and repulsive in my view.
These are the people who still believe The Big Lie. You are surprised that they are easily susceptible to Russian propaganda?

 
Old 03-28-2022, 08:04 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Mariupol has fallen. I’m surprised the country has lasted this long against the Russian bear.
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Old 03-28-2022, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Western PA
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Mariupol has fallen. I’m surprised the country has lasted this long against the Russian bear.

perhaps this time it is true. there is now video from *today* of russian troops shooting at those trying to leave earlier today.
 
Old 03-28-2022, 08:11 AM
 
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I think deflection is mainly what these posters are doing...
combo of disinformation and deflection....
notice that in their posts they never mention they are pro Putin and
they agree with what Putin is doing....no...it's all deflection and disinformation..
Yep, because of Azov, Russians can't get a grip on Donetsk. They may have a lot of far right in their ranks, but they are the only thing holding back the Russians. They're doing a very good job, considering the region is very close to the Russian border.

At this point in time, far right views are preferable to Russians stealing land. I'm smirking at those who try to imply that far right views are the bigger threat, they are Putin propagandists.

If Russian separatists don't like being part of Ukraine, they always have the choice to walk over the border and move to Russia. Nobody would send "come back to Ukraine" cards. They should have left 8 years ago. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
 
Old 03-28-2022, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Mariupol has fallen. I’m surprised the country has lasted this long against the Russian bear.
Agreed. Sadly, it was only a matter it time. Russia needs Mariupol to help secure that Southern region to connect Donbas, Crimea, then perhaps Odesa all the way to Moldova.
 
Old 03-28-2022, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Reportedly, the decision to target Kharkov was made a day ago. All defenders of it will meet 72 virgin pigs in hell.
 
Old 03-28-2022, 09:09 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Ukraine threw as many stones at russia, as I just did to you. Oh, you didnt notice? EXACTLY.
That statement just shows your ignorance...
 
Old 03-28-2022, 09:11 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Yep, because of Azov, Russians can't get a grip on Donetsk. They may have a lot of far right in their ranks, but they are the only thing holding back the Russians. They're doing a very good job, considering the region is very close to the Russian border.

At this point in time, far right views are preferable to Russians stealing land. I'm smirking at those who try to imply that far right views are the bigger threat, they are Putin propagandists.

If Russian separatists don't like being part of Ukraine, they always have the choice to walk over the border and move to Russia. Nobody would send "come back to Ukraine" cards. They should have left 8 years ago. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

So you support ethnic cleansing?
It is not just a few separatists, it is almost the entire population, millions of people in the east of the country that don't want to be subject to Ukrainian fascism and genocide. And why would they move to Russia?! East Ukraine is their native land.
 
Old 03-28-2022, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Western PA
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That statement just shows your ignorance...

Does it now?
 
Old 03-28-2022, 09:20 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Yeah, I pointed this out a few days ago. Russia has no future economically as its population will shrink and it is losing its educated citizens. Now the world sees how terrible its weapons systems are and its arms sales have declined 26% over the last decade as the US, German, UK and French arms sales have grown.
Their weapons are not terrible at all. They sent a lot of cheap, old gear to Ukraine, the idea seems to be: it's better to burn it in Ukraine than having to throw it away later. Some of that stuff is from Soviet times.

Their modern weapons are very good. But of course they will not export most of that technology, especially not the hypersonic missiles etc. So, as the percentage of simpler, cheaper weapons decreases, they make less stuff they can export.

It is the same with China by the way. China's arms exports are decreasing, while its arms technology is improving dramatically.

Also, it is not exactly a noble business, to the contrary, selling arms means creating conflicts and making money from death.

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