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Old 03-30-2022, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Originally Posted by erasure View Post
Thank you.
As I've said - truth is coming out as it should.
Slowly but surely, step by step.
That massive Ukrainian propaganda campaign is not working any longer.
They can't lie forever.
I don't like to post different showman's opinions, but this guy actually been to Donbass and saw it with his own eyes.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-z_LeMzvss

 
Old 03-30-2022, 08:33 PM
 
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I don't like to post different showman's opinions, but this guy actually been to Donbass and saw it with his own eyes.

His denial of it being a war on conquest is contradicted by the cold hard fact taht Russia took Crimea and never gave it back, just as they are trying to do now with other eastern areas. And Donbass is part of Ukraine. How can Ukraine invade Ukraine? By definition, they have the right to send federal authorities there.



As for Trostyanets, there sure were a lot of destroyed vehicles marked with Z in that video for the Russian army to have simply passed through early on.
 
Old 03-30-2022, 08:41 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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Originally Posted by swake View Post
Life is too short?

You post here all day and night. Over and over. It's almost like it's your job.
Maybe we just need to stop feeding them. They refuse to see what's in front of their face or claim it is just staged without even watching. Their firehose of falsehood is set to full throttle now. I think they are smelling the demise of the "Great" Russian army and so are putting their back into it.
 
Old 03-30-2022, 08:46 PM
 
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Originally Posted by oceangaia View Post
His denial of it being a war on conquest is contradicted by the cold hard fact taht Russia took Crimea and never gave it back, just as they are trying to do now with other eastern areas. And Donbass is part of Ukraine. How can Ukraine invade Ukraine? By definition, they have the right to send federal authorities there.



As for Trostyanets, there sure were a lot of destroyed vehicles marked with Z in that video for the Russian army to have simply passed through early on.

The Russian speakers didn't want to ascribe to the Nationalists ideology of the 2014 "Heil Hitler, heil Bandera".

Neither did they want to be murdered by the Nationalists for "noncompliance."



Imagine that.
 
Old 03-30-2022, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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As for Trostyanets, there sure were a lot of destroyed vehicles marked with Z in that video for the Russian army to have simply passed through early on.
There was some fighting, maybe an ambush or something like that. The army moved past it early in March, the tanks were sitting there since then, the place was kind of "grey" zone - with Ukrainian administration left in place. That's according to Strelkov's post from 3/26...
 
Old 03-30-2022, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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Farage ...
Has a Putin fixation.

lol, no, he does not. Is that really current narrative?
 
Old 03-30-2022, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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Because he said Putin must not be in power? That's the best thing he said in the speech. When Ukrainians were asked about that, all of them agreed with Biden. Most people think Putin should be removed. Only Biden has the balls to say it.
nonono, he said, in effect, BIDEN must be removed. he puts to words, what the brits are thinking
 
Old 03-30-2022, 09:03 PM
 
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There was some fighting, maybe an ambush or something like that. The army moved past it early in March, the tanks were sitting there since then, the place was kind of "grey" zone - with Ukrainian administration left in place. That's according to Strelkov's post from 3/26...

If that were true then there should be lots of reports from free press and Ukrainian officials there in the last month. Why are we just seeing the town now?
 
Old 03-30-2022, 09:07 PM
 
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Some good info on that status of the conflict as of recent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REBRCVqnbiA&t=29s
His analysis is very good.
 
Old 03-30-2022, 09:19 PM
 
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From the left leaning Washington Post - it must have killed them to report this!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...sia-civilians/
Not really, because you left out the Ukrainian response. The analysis examined international laws governing warfare, quoting a couple of commenters, focusing on Kyiv where the Russians have not yet entered:

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In response to written questions from The Post, Alexei Arestovich, adviser to the head of the office of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, said the country’s military doctrine, approved by parliament, provides for the principle of “total defense.” That means that volunteers in the Territorial Defense Forces or in other self-defense units have the legal authority to protect their homes, which are mostly in urban areas. Moreover, he argued that international humanitarian laws or the laws of war don’t apply in this conflict because “the main task of Putin’s military campaign is the destruction of the Ukrainian nation.” He said Russian President Vladimir Putin has repeatedly denied Ukraine’s existence as an independent nation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...sia-civilians/
As noted in the portion you did quote, Russia is targeting and attempting to enter cities as it did Mariupol. There's no reason to expect Russia not to enter Kyiv, the capitol of what it calls a Nazi government.

Then, of course, if legality and international law are the issue:
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The UN’s international court of justice (ICJ) in The Hague has ordered Russia to halt its invasion of Ukraine, saying the court had not seen any evidence to support the Kremlin’s justification for the war, that Ukraine was committing genocide against Russian-speakers in the east of the country.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ion-of-ukraine
In the meantime, the same reporter - Sudarsan Raghavan - who wrote the article you quoted also wrote this:
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TITLE: Ukrainians escape embattled enclaves with frightful stories, and little else

Vasil Hilko lay quietly in the hospital, recovering from surgery that took the lower half of his right leg. On the edge of his bed perched his wife, wiping away tears. On the floor nearby was a single blue sandal, for his only remaining foot.

In early March, Russian forces invaded the couple’s village outside Brovary, they said, forcing civilians to take cover in crowded shelters underground. Each night, Russian troops would barge in, telling the group of about 20 people to quickly line up for a head count. “ ‘If somebody is missing, we’ll kill everybody else,’ ” Vasil Hilko recalled them saying.

One night, a commander gave them just 10 seconds to line up “ ‘before we start shooting,’ ” he said. Hilko was the last to reach the line and a soldier carrying a shotgun proceeded to open fire on the 63-year-old’s leg as punishment — then left him wounded without medical care.

“He asked if I wanted him to shoot my other leg, and I said ‘Okay, you may,’ ” he recalled.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ng-casualties/
There's been intense fighting, including shelling, in Irpin where Russians entered the city and Ukrainians fought back. That began when Russians entered that enclave. Half the city destroyed. Brovary, where the man was tortured, is also on the outskirts of Kyiv.

As Arestovich pointed out, Russia clearly wants to take over substantial portions of the Ukrainian nation, including key cities. Not simply defeat a Ukrainian army.

You also deleted the last sentence of the Kyiv woman's comments which was: “We feel bad and saddened because of how our city has changed,” said Kramerenko. “But we understand the situation and believe in our Ukrainian soldiers. We Ukrainians have to fight back.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...sia-civilians/

Any practical suggestions to get the Russian to simply go home and stop this madness?
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