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Old 04-09-2022, 09:05 AM
 
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Not the narrative the US government wants to push, so the US PR arm, aka "independent media", will not show this.
Graphic content warning (dead bodies, horrific injuries).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNhDKGjNK8z

 
Old 04-09-2022, 09:58 AM
 
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Its apparently been going on since 2014. US MSM not really report it as much as they should have.
 
Old 04-09-2022, 10:04 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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I'm surprised more people don't see that the US MSM is pushing an agenda..a one sided agenda with this "war" reporting.
People really need to start reading foreign news.
 
Old 04-09-2022, 10:08 AM
 
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human shields?...the human shield theory goes out the window when Russia specifically targets civilians..human shields have no value to a defender when the aggressor uses them as military targets just like soldiers on the battlefield..

Your theory will go out of the window, once you will see the difference what weapons Russians use in Mariupol, once the civilians are out of the way, and it's just the industrial area, where Azov Battalion is confided to.
 
Old 04-09-2022, 10:09 AM
 
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False.
Numerous sources report the Tochka U is still in use by Russia, and has been used in Syria as well as Ukraine.
That particular missile, however, will not be used again and its replacement cannot be manufactured due to international sanctions.
Would you be able, please, to share the numerous sources you mentioned here?
 
Old 04-09-2022, 10:10 AM
 
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False.
Numerous sources report the Tochka U is still in use by Russia, and has been used in Syria as well as Ukraine.
That particular missile, however, will not be used again and its replacement cannot be manufactured due to international sanctions.

"Numerous sources" can report whatever they like, but I've been watching Ukrainian events for long time, and every time Tochka U was used there, it was always Ukraine hitting Donetsk area.

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Old 04-09-2022, 10:22 AM
 
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Russian President Vladimir Putin has replaced the commander of military operations in Ukraine. Now they are led by General Alexander Dvornikov, who has extensive experience in Syria. It is reported by the BBC, citing sources.
According to the publication, there was poor coordination between different groups of Russian troops invading Ukraine. Commander of the Southern Military District Alexander Dvornikov will solve this problem.
This commander has extensive experience in operations in Syria. Therefore, we expect overall command and control to improve

https://hindustannewshub.com/russia-...-moscow-times/




What does this mean? Ukrainian militaries employ tactics, used by ISIS in Syria. Hence, a new commander, familiar with such tactics.


Also, on the side note, Putin removed his years long "grey cardinal" - Surkov


MOSCOW -- Vladislav Surkov was known as the Kremlin’s gray cardinal -- feared in the corridors of power and despised by the opposition. But the Russian deputy prime minister's surprise resignation on May 8 has them worried.

Surkov’s departure, observers say, signals the rising power of hard-line factions, the “siloviki,” who have zealously prosecuted the crackdown on the opposition since Vladimir Putin returned to the presidency.

The resignation of the once-hugely influential Surkov, observers say, is a major scalp in the belt of the siloviki and confirms a shift to a more hard-nosed ruling style cementing under Putin.


https://www.rferl.org/a/surkov-resig.../24981642.html


This coincides with the growing dissatisfaction inside Russia, how war is handled and how Russia keeps getting softer and softer in its diplomatic actions. Questions of high treason been raised out loud.


I didn't even know that he was still there.

But he used to be in charge of the Russian policies in Ukraine ( Donbass to be exact.)
And as rumor has it ( don't remember whether it was Strelkov that mentioned it or not,) Surkov was the one to separate Lugansk and Donetsk into two different republics ( although they started as one and the same thing, united.)

But anyways, Putin's policies there have failed for a number of reasons, so Surkov was removed from this job already some time ago I think.

And his departure is not as telling of the turn that Russian government now takes ( with Soviet style officials taking over,) as the departure of Chubais.



Yet another typical representative of so-called "liberal" wing in the government seems to be Putin's press secretary Peskov.
He is stirring a lot of anger in Russian public now from what I can see on line.
 
Old 04-09-2022, 10:25 AM
 
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The minister of defense had a heart attack also?

The head of the FSB Fifth Service (Besada) was also arrested and is in prison already? His bribes and agents did not do a good job preparing Ukraine for invasion.

Please start indicating the source of the reports if possible, because if it's Ukrainian sources...
 
Old 04-09-2022, 10:33 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Would you be able, please, to share the numerous sources you mentioned here?
No. You didn't. Why should I?

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"Numerous sources" can report whatever they like, but I've been watching Ukrainian events for long time, and every time Tochka U was used there, it was always Ukraine hitting Donetsk area.
Nothing you have said makes any sense or passes even a cursory inspection. Your claim of being the "senior Ukrainian watcher" and thus having more information is rejected.
 
Old 04-09-2022, 10:34 AM
 
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I'm surprised more people don't see that the US MSM is pushing an agenda..a one sided agenda with this "war" reporting.
People really need to start reading foreign news.

Because Americans are the most propagandized people in the world.
Most here will blindly trust the US government and US media, and believe them when they say that everything Russia pushes is propaganda; which is not to say they don't have propaganda of their own, but to dismiss anything that is contrary to US narrative is ignorant.
We have been indoctrinated since birth that anything related to communism is automatically evil, which makes it easier for the gullible masses to believe. I can't help but believe that the anti-communist propaganda from post-WW2 was pre-planned for events such as this from the get go.
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