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Old 04-10-2022, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Russia never expect that? They have seen it in Syria and Yemen on Western armor.
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What they were hoping for is for Ukraine to be less willing to fight. That I will agree disappointed them. That was due in part to Ukrainian killing Russian loyalists in the east like Mayors and other people that have power. Several of them just disappeared.
They did not see Javelin missiles in Syria, they are fighting a battle like it's 1980. They are putting fencing on their tanks and armor to lessen the damage from the Javelins. Their leadership was unprepared, they thought that 40 mile convoy would cause them to surrender. Their leadership is incompetent and reduced to killing civilians in a desperate hope that they will surrender.

They never had enough troops to defeat Ukraine let alone occupy.

 
Old 04-10-2022, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Train station missile:
"For the children" is a reference to "The Alley of Angels."
When Ukrainian soldiers were captured, they would be taken to the Alley of Angels to witness what they had done. "For the children" became a taunt that the Ukrainian Azov forces would write on artillery shells.

If you want to do some digging, here is the clear view of the serial number on the booster:
https://tg.la7.it/esteri/guerra-ucra...04-2022-170588

Train station serial# Ш91579

Missile strike from the same lot of missiles by the Ukrainian military:
Alchevsk - Ш91565 (February, 2015) https://youtu.be/m8j4Ijs7_FQ?t=104

Melitopol - Ш915516 (March 2022) https://rumble.com/vxrwfb-18.03.2022...f-ukraine.html

Last edited by CtrlEsc; 04-10-2022 at 05:56 PM.. Reason: Translational Issue: Italia news reported it as "All the best to the children."
 
Old 04-10-2022, 06:05 PM
 
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Originally Posted by CtrlEsc View Post
Train station missile:
"For the children" is a reference to "The Alley of Angels."
When Ukrainian soldiers were captured, they would be taken to the Alley of Angels to witness what they had done. "For the children" became a taunt that the Ukrainian Azov forces would write on artillery shells.

If you want to do some digging, here is the clear view of the serial number on the booster:
https://tg.la7.it/esteri/guerra-ucra...04-2022-170588

Train station serial# Ш91579

Missile strike from the same lot of missiles by the Ukrainian military:
Alchevsk - Ш91565 (February, 2015) https://youtu.be/m8j4Ijs7_FQ?t=104

Melitopol - Ш915516 (March 2022) https://rumble.com/vxrwfb-18.03.2022...f-ukraine.html

Let me make one thing clear once and for all, what was written on that missile;

It's really not "FOR the children," but in Russian context "PAYBACK for the children."
 
Old 04-10-2022, 07:01 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Killing civilians on behalf of civilians killed. Inspiring future generations to again kill civilians.

Perpetrating a cycle of violence.
Yeah, I don't really think Ukrainians, who are defending themselves, or Russians, who are invading, are all that concerned about some "cycle of violence". That's more of a social thing.

This is a war.
 
Old 04-10-2022, 07:01 PM
 
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Russian Troops Took Radioactive ‘Souvenirs’ From Chernobyl, Ukraine Says

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...r-company-says

oof
They've been watching The Simpsons too much...
 
Old 04-10-2022, 07:11 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Another Russia colonel killed.
Russian Col. Alexander Bespalov was killed during fighting and buried in Ozersk, according to local reports.


Also, General Aleksander Dvornikov, who has vast experience in Syria in attacking poorly defended positions and loosely organized jihadist groups has been selected to re-organize the Russian attack.
He will, of course, be targeted by the Ukrainians. And probably half the Russian army, too!
 
Old 04-10-2022, 07:31 PM
 
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Don't you know.

Read that Russian solders hauled other souvenirs -- stolen computers, phones, jewelry, washing machines (?), etc. -- to Belarus and shipped them home.

It's OK, not a big deal - probably only half of what "patriotic Ukrainian troops" hauled back home to Western Ukraine after pillaging Donbass.
 
Old 04-10-2022, 07:48 PM
 
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Another Russia colonel killed.
Russian Col. Alexander Bespalov was killed during fighting and buried in Ozersk, according to local reports.


Also, General Aleksander Dvornikov, who has vast experience in Syria in attacking poorly defended positions and loosely organized jihadist groups has been selected to re-organize the Russian attack.
He will, of course, be targeted by the Ukrainians. And probably half the Russian army, too!
So what - colonels get killed during wars if they are on the front lines - no mystery here.

What is a mystery to me though, is whom is it the Ukrainian forces ( and not only) are trying to rescue so persistently from Mariupol, which included French diplomatic efforts?

Who is it hiding on Azov Steel plant along with Azov Nazi Battalion, that yet another attempt was made yesterday to pull these people out of the bunkers via Azov sea?

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/...0410-0002.html


https://www.fleetmon.com/maritime-ne...navy-shelling/

A mystery indeed.

If Russians ( who are tenaciously guarding all the exits from Mariupol's port at this point,) will get hold of those "someones" after all - it looks like yet another international scandal is in the making.

And since it were French diplomatic efforts that were involved in the rescue attempts before, I can only wonder whether Macron was only playing the role of the mediator.

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Old 04-10-2022, 08:27 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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So what - colonels get killed during wars if they are on the front lines - no mystery here.............
The war was nearly over, Yakov Rezantsev assured his troops on day four of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Ukrainian officials say he was the seventh Russian general to die in action in Ukraine; Western ones agree. You have to go back 80 years to find a remotely comparable attrition of senior officers.



That's why the death of a Russian colonel is important. It is a record-setting pace. Perhaps they are all incredible brave; perhaps they are all stupid; maybe their own men kill them. I dunno. At any rate it is record setting.
I hope the Ukrainians keep it up. Putin fired 8 generals so far.
 
Old 04-10-2022, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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So we have gone from don't worry they were only old tanks, never mind the three soldiers inside that blew up with it. To now don't worry it is only another tank regiment commander. No doubt there are many Lieutenant Colonels who dreamed of the job, assuming their vehicles were not hit and they are not among the three dead per tank, but just unreported due to their lower rank.
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