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Old 02-24-2022, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida, Support our police
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Would you like to have Putin or someone like him come here and take over the US? Just how much do you admire him?
He probably would do a better job than Biden. Honestly Biden is a disaster. Putin would be better IMO.

 
Old 02-24-2022, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Texas
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So far we have the following aligning with Putin:


1. Donald Trump -- called Putin's invasion of Ukraine "savvy" and "genius"

2. Josh Hawley -- blames USA and NATO for expanding NATO and triggering Putin. It's all our fault, he says.

3. Tucker Carlson -- full-throated support for Russia

4. Tulsi Gabbard -- Yet another pro-Russia remark as she blasts the Ukrainian government and says the war could have been avoided if the West had just given in to Putin's security demands


Will update the list as more pro-Putin politicians reveal their true colors.
Who undermines NATO? Explain to me why we should listen to NATO instead of the Founders? Explain to me where in the Constitution does it say to give another entity the power to shape our foreign policy?
 
Old 02-24-2022, 09:33 AM
 
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LOL. Trump is, and always has been, a bull artist and liar. Of course after the fact he's going to try to make himself look good and make up stories that he told Putin not to take Ukraine. He did say Putin's move into Ukraine was "savvy" and "genius." Trump is the ultimate Putin butt-kisser and his fans need to own that.
^^^You got that right. Unfortunately for we the people, our Constitutional Republic, and our very democracy, Trump loyalists believe Allegiance to Trump is paramount to Allegiance to America.

The truth is the foreign policy goals of the disgraced & defeated former President Trump and his MAGA movement parallel those of Russia's President Putin.

Putin wants to pressure and break Western and democratic institutions, especially the European Union and NATO. He wants to keep dictators in power wherever he can, in Syria, Venezuela, and Iran. He wants to undermine America, to shrink American influence, to remove the power of the ideas and talk of democracy, that so many people in his part of the world associate with America. He wants America itself to fail.

Trump’s foreign policy sought to do much of what Putin wants to achieve, including intimidating Ukraine by withholding vital defensive weapons. Trump, like his role model in Moscow, favored weakening NATO, elevated dictators (from China to Turkey to North Korea to Hungary to Russia), undermined democratic elections, demonized journalists and took every opportunity to praise kleptocratic-style governments.

Our former president sided with Putin over U.S. intelligence on 2016 election interference; wanted to readmit Russia to the Group of Seven; mimicked Kremlin propaganda about Crimea; and gave away code-word-protected secrets to the Russians in the Oval Office.

The menacing MAGA movement, and their leader Trump, have repeatedly shown their contempt for democracy. As we are seeing on so many threads in this forum and on Trump TV and R-wing media, contempt for democracy domestically often goes hand in hand with contempt for democratic allies abroad, and then we get this sympathy for authoritarian regimes. Look no further than the confused Carlson cult who post prolifically on this forum.

Defenders of American democracy are generally on the side of other democratic countries. This is one more reason, here in the United States of America, we would be wise to not let the Trump-fueled GOP back in power.
 
Old 02-24-2022, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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He probably would do a better job than Biden. Honestly Biden is a disaster. Putin would be better IMO.
So you would be ok giving up your American freedoms? No more elections, president for life, only his cronies have a chance of getting rich.

Be careful what you wish for.
 
Old 02-24-2022, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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LOL. Trump is, and always has been, a bull artist and liar. Of course after the fact he's going to try to make himself look good and make up stories that he told Putin not to take Ukraine. He did say Putin's move into Ukraine was "savvy" and "genius." Trump is the ultimate Putin butt-kisser and his fans need to own that.
How is it NOT "savvy and genius" for Putin to take advantage of our current "Vegetable in Chief"?
 
Old 02-24-2022, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Spring Hill, FL
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Don't pretend that NATO has no been yapping about getting to Ukraine into NATO.
They're still not a member. Yapping or otherwise.
 
Old 02-24-2022, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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He probably would do a better job than Biden. Honestly Biden is a disaster. Putin would be better IMO.
That's just sick
 
Old 02-24-2022, 09:37 AM
 
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Well, we did have this nonsense from Carlson:

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Carlson, who has been accused of being “one of the biggest cheerleaders for Russia” during the conflict, asked viewers on his top-rated Fox News show a series of questions about whether Putin had promoted “racial discrimination” in schools, made fentanyl, attempted “to snuff out Christianity” or eaten dogs.

“These are fair questions, and the answer to all of them is ‘no.’ Vladimir Putin didn’t do any of that,” he said. “So, why does permanent Washington hate him so much?”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/media...ussia-ukraine/

Well, maybe because he's killing innocent people with an imperialist invasion of a sovereign nation and causing instability in world economic markets? That sounds hateful enough for me.
 
Old 02-24-2022, 09:41 AM
 
Location: The Piedmont of North Carolina
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LOL. Trump is, and always has been, a bull artist and liar. Of course after the fact he's going to try to make himself look good and make up stories that he told Putin not to take Ukraine. He did say Putin's move into Ukraine was "savvy" and "genius." Trump is the ultimate Putin butt-kisser and his fans need to own that.
So, that would mean you didn't watch it, yet you seem to know everything he said.....
 
Old 02-24-2022, 09:43 AM
 
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Would you like to have Putin or someone like him come here and take over the US? Just how much do you admire him?
It wouldnt be much different than our own govt! The US is by far, the most corrupt on the entire planet.
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