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Old 02-24-2022, 01:27 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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This doesn't address the issues that divide us and it's very brief and general. We need more than that.
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Old 02-24-2022, 01:43 PM
 
Location: My house
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You are going realize in 4-5 years when solid state batteries become the norm and Cars would have 700-1000 miles of range and last much longer and cleaner.

Remember how inefficient the first generation of Gasoline vehicles were. People tend to have very short memory.

It's got nothing to do with EVs....many people are just afraid of change and try to justify with silly reasons.

If you cared....deaths due to electrocution is much less.
the battery technology will out pace our infrastructure grid. it is quite unrealistic to believe that we can just shut off fossil fuels and go all electric. what charges the battery my friend?

also, batteries are yesterdays technology. the future is in small core reactors.

And I don’t care about electrocutions it was merely sarcasm directed at a ridiculous argument
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Old 02-24-2022, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Shaker Heights, OH
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No, reducing dependence on foreign oil and increasing domestic drilling would help us. Kind of like what President Trump had accomplished during his tenure and what President Biden killed on his first day in office....
You must want to see more Deepwater Horizon disasters...I would rather end our use of oil altogether...why not go for a Manhattan Project to find clean renewable energy instead of pumping out more high pollution fossil fuels...I'd rather breathe in clean air and have clean oceans...I lived on the Gulf Coast in 2010...the foul stench of oil was in the air anytime I went to the beach and their were always crews in hazmat suits cleaning up the oil that washed ashore...
No more drilling in the Gulf should ever be allowed after that.
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Old 02-24-2022, 02:46 PM
 
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the battery technology will out pace our infrastructure grid. it is quite unrealistic to believe that we can just shut off fossil fuels and go all electric. what charges the battery my friend?

also, batteries are yesterdays technology. the future is in small core reactors.

And I don’t care about electrocutions it was merely sarcasm directed at a ridiculous argument
Nobody is asking to shut off fossil fuels all of a sudden.Not sure as to why this keeps coming up again and again.
It's a waste of mental energy to explain this 100s of times. This mental energy can be utilized in better discussions that would help you and me grow further.

EV adoption is not going to be sudden.
Grid upgrades can be done gradually.
We also have option to get rooftop solar installed. I have done it and this electricity is many times cleaner than coal. My system also produces excess electricity that gets fed back into the grid.

Small core reactors maybe next.
It's not ready for mainstream use.

What is it with Republicans saying all sorts of things just to avoid batteries? Can you please reread what you are typing.
This is all anti national behavior. We are here to have a debate to grow each other....not to be right.
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Old 02-24-2022, 03:33 PM
 
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Republicans have become party of anti-vaxer, anti-masker, ivermectin conspiracy theorists. Democrats have become living manifestation of woke culture. Both are joke.

There is no party for middle class/ upper middle class guy like me. Republicans benefit wealthy; Dems favor low income wagers and illegal migrants. Middle class always gets nothing regardless of who is in charge.
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Old 02-24-2022, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Both are dumb.

They are all politicians.
If you defend a stupid political party as if your kid.....you are coming in the way of peace and prosperity of United States.

Focus on policies and not on politics.

There is good and bad on both sides.

If you are Republican, focus on improving the policies of the Republican party instead of spewing hate on Democrats.
Like try to reverse their views on Climate Change. Reducing the dependence on oil would help us a lot by countering countries like Russia and Saudis. It would save a lot of lives.

And if you are a Democrat, stop with all the overregulation. Stop being oversensitive to anything and everything. Focus on equality but stop meddling in every little thing. Keep the darn spending under control. Focus on people instead. Fix the Immigration system piece by piece....don't act as if you care about immigrants by putting in large bills you know that won't pass.

And please do come together.
In my case, I would vote based on whoever is the lesser evil during that time.
It would help, immensely, if there were term limits, Trump's rule that no one who leaves gets to immediately become a lobbyist, and no investing while serving the people.

The people who run for those jobs would have NO incentive to take the job except to....serve the people.
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Old 02-24-2022, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Nobody is asking to shut off fossil fuels all of a sudden.Not sure as to why this keeps coming up again and again.
It's a waste of mental energy to explain this 100s of times. This mental energy can be utilized in better discussions that would help you and me grow further.

EV adoption is not going to be sudden.
Grid upgrades can be done gradually.
We also have option to get rooftop solar installed. I have done it and this electricity is many times cleaner than coal. My system also produces excess electricity that gets fed back into the grid.

Small core reactors maybe next.
It's not ready for mainstream use.

What is it with Republicans saying all sorts of things just to avoid batteries? Can you please reread what you are typing.
This is all anti national behavior. We are here to have a debate to grow each other....not to be right.
I would accept a hybrid, but not full on electric. I've driven a loaner car that was a hybrid, from the dealer when they worked on my old car. I drive way too much to accept full electric. Hybrid I'm okay with because it charges itself.

Oh, and never a Prius...for reasons.
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Old 02-24-2022, 03:58 PM
 
Location: My house
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Nobody is asking to shut off fossil fuels all of a sudden.Not sure as to why this keeps coming up again and again.
It's a waste of mental energy to explain this 100s of times. This mental energy can be utilized in better discussions that would help you and me grow further.

EV adoption is not going to be sudden.
Grid upgrades can be done gradually.
We also have option to get rooftop solar installed. I have done it and this electricity is many times cleaner than coal. My system also produces excess electricity that gets fed back into the grid.

Small core reactors maybe next.
It's not ready for mainstream use.

What is it with Republicans saying all sorts of things just to avoid batteries? Can you please reread what you are typing.
This is all anti national behavior. We are here to have a debate to grow each other....not to be right.
I know this is just mind blowing to comprehend but what charges the batteries? What energy source that replaces fossil fuels is feasible to charge all of the batteries that you would like to see be used?

I deal in reality and right now the reality is we need fossil fuels and when I pay seven dollars for a tank of gas per gallon that hits every hard-working American even the illegal immigrants that we all know and love

So charging everything by solar and wind is wonderful in the theoretical world but in the actual world there is a lot of pain that will be had in many peoples wallets and purses due to forcing this issue upon us before being ready for it. we need fossil fuels here and now. that is reality
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Old 02-24-2022, 04:28 PM
 
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If you don't mild elaborating, what are the main issues left out that divide us?


I don't disagree at all, though I think it would immediately improve the lives of large numbers of working and middle Americans, thus reducing polarization, while being minimally divisive.
I think I already mentioned that on another thread today but I would say both parties want immigration fixed. Liberals don't always want illegal immigration. I don't personally know any liberal who wants it. We want more use of the guest worker program where they would come here and earn money, then return to their countries. We want illegal immigration stopped. We want something done to make legal immigration more fair and maybe somewhat easier so people wouldn't be sneaking in.

Liberals don't usually want "woke." It's ridiculous and just seems trendy. The progressives are all about catering to a few while ignoring the rest of us. That causes a backlash of anger and pushes the right even further to the right. Divides us.

Liberals do not want to defund the police. That is crazy. So that's not even an issue, just a talking point for some extreme right wing radio or tv hate mongers.

Liberals think that Black Lives Matter sounds too extreme and could be interpreted to mean that no one else's life matters. But I think we all want the racial thing fixed somehow.

Liberals aren't completely against guns. I don't want guns in my state unless the owner is licensed, trained, and follows rules about guns. We don't need guns where I live anyway except for target practice and hunting. If you live out on a ranch out west somewhere and you do need a gun, go ahead. Just don't bring it to my state. Too many accidents, too many people thinking a gun is the answer, and I want the freedom to be in a store and not have to worry that some jerk may be walking around with a gun. But if you want that in your state, go right ahead.

Something has to be done about lifelong welfare. We need to help deserving people but they shouldn't turn welfare into their lifestyle. Think of a way to ease them off welfare with jobs, without losing their subsidized rent as soon as they start to work.

Most of us want health insurance. Anyone who wants their fellow Americans to go without health care isn't a very good American. Some people work two part time jobs and can't get health insurance, some people end up unemployed. There are lots of reasons why people need to buy health insurance. Something like the Affordable Care Act that would actually be affordable, would be best.

Most of us are not for socialism or free college but we are for helping people who need and deserve help. We are for affordable college for those who want to go--not free because that's not fair to those who do not go to college. Who's going to send them their free money?

People who earn millions per year should pay at a higher rate. The amount of money that some of them make is ridiculous and no one needs that much money.

Both parties need to work together the way we used to instead of name calling and doing the opposite of what the other party wants just to be mean. We need to grow up and work together. (Sorry, computer problems, but that's generally what I think.)
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Old 02-24-2022, 08:07 PM
 
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The OP is 100% correct.

People who affiliate with parties have some weird need to belong to something.

Makes no sense and causes problems.

Take an inventory of your values and vote for the people/issues that most match them.

Parties are boys clubs, basically - weird fraternities/and some random sororities.
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