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Old 02-26-2022, 04:56 AM
 
Location: Kocaeli, Turkey
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Originally Posted by LS Jaun View Post
Even worse, an Erdogan puppet
What is worse is, you think presidents come by the 100 percent votes in countries.

Who said I vote for Erdoğan?

 
Old 02-26-2022, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Kocaeli, Turkey
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So is that what someone who lives in a poor country with a dictatorship says happened? I always wondered.
Was Ukraine a richer country than Turkey?

And who was in the head of USA? Trump who liked Putin.

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Old 02-26-2022, 06:48 AM
 
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I wish we had Ukraine’s President. When offered a safe ride out of the Ukraine with Americans he say he didn’t need a ride, he wanted more ammo!
 
Old 02-26-2022, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Russia is not close to the second most powerful country of the world. Probably not top five.

Ukraine did not create the confrontation.
Yes it is. It's the second most powerful military in the world. You don't get that kind of strength out of thin air. You can play the GDP all you want, but in the end, the most powerful military is the one who has the real power, no matter what!
 
Old 02-26-2022, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Ukraine wanted to be left alone. It’s a huge country with lots of natural resources that Russia wants. The Ukrainians are fighting hard, and we are told that there have been huge Russian losses.

I hope Ukraine, with the help of NATO can prevail. It’s feels like our revolutionary war, when a bunch of rag tag farmers managed to beat the British Army.
LOL! Ukraine is going to lose no matter what. Russia, the US and China all want those resources. NATO is just a false hope along with the European Union. Both are weak and will fail in the end.
 
Old 02-26-2022, 07:06 AM
 
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LOL! Ukraine is going to lose no matter what. Russia, the US and China all want those resources. NATO is just a false hope along with the European Union. Both are weak and will fail in the end.
The UN is a joke but NATO is not.
 
Old 02-26-2022, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Again, what did Ukraine do to instigate this attack? Please be specific.
My understanding is that a treaty was signed between the old USSR regime and the countries that wanted to become independent. But in order to become independent, those countries had to pay mother Russia off. Much like how Haiti had to pay off France for their independence. And Ukraine had till 2018 (about 25 years) to pay off 250 billion to be independent, and they failed to pay not even one cent, so Putin considers the treaty void and he has a right to bring Ukraine back under Russia's control. Might be also why the US and EU are reluctant to roll in and help defend Ukraine. NATO and the UN also seem to be looking the other way. China and India are also not helping. They don't much care for those who fail to honor their end of the deal. In fact, China deals like this all the time. Promises a poor country to help uplift their economies by fronting the costs of building infrastructure to bring in high end retail like banks and hotels, but in turn those countries have 25 years to pay off the debt, and if they fail to, then China will own either a major road in their biggest city or just own the city outright.
 
Old 02-26-2022, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Corona del Mar, CA - Coronado, CA
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Yes it is. It's the second most powerful military in the world. You don't get that kind of strength out of thin air. You can play the GDP all you want, but in the end, the most powerful military is the one who has the real power, no matter what!
There is not a chance Russia's military is as formidable as China's or the UK's, possibly not a couple others, lthough they are not as experienced.
 
Old 02-26-2022, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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My understanding is that a treaty was signed between the old USSR regime and the countries that wanted to become independent. But in order to become independent, those countries had to pay mother Russia off. Much like how Haiti had to pay off France for their independence. And Ukraine had till 2018 (about 25 years) to pay off 250 billion to be independent, and they failed to pay not even one cent, so Putin considers the treaty void and he has a right to bring Ukraine back under Russia's control. Might be also why the US and EU are reluctant to roll in and help defend Ukraine. NATO and the UN also seem to be looking the other way. China and India are also not helping. They don't much care for those who fail to honor their end of the deal. In fact, China deals like this all the time. Promises a poor country to help uplift their economies by fronting the costs of building infrastructure to bring in high end retail like banks and hotels, but in turn those countries have 25 years to pay off the debt, and if they fail to, then China will own either a major road in their biggest city or just own the city outright.
I never heard of this treaty. Do you remember what it was called so I can look it up?

Even if true, the money would need to be paid to USSR, which no longer exists. So not sure how valid Russia's claim would be.
 
Old 02-26-2022, 07:31 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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My understanding is that a treaty was signed between the old USSR regime and the countries that wanted to become independent. But in order to become independent, those countries had to pay mother Russia off. Much like how Haiti had to pay off France for their independence. And Ukraine had till 2018 (about 25 years) to pay off 250 billion to be independent, and they failed to pay not even one cent, so Putin considers the treaty void and he has a right to bring Ukraine back under Russia's control. Might be also why the US and EU are reluctant to roll in and help defend Ukraine. NATO and the UN also seem to be looking the other way. China and India are also not helping. They don't much care for those who fail to honor their end of the deal. In fact, China deals like this all the time. Promises a poor country to help uplift their economies by fronting the costs of building infrastructure to bring in high end retail like banks and hotels, but in turn those countries have 25 years to pay off the debt, and if they fail to, then China will own either a major road in their biggest city or just own the city outright.

I'd like to see cites backing up that theory.
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