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Old 03-01-2022, 09:53 AM
 
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Has the lack of a knockout of Ukraine shown that the Russian military is not as powerful as the world might think? Putin's lack of his expected results has put him in a bad spot. Get more aggressive (short of nuclear weapons) or lose the attack on Ukraine and be embarrassed in the eyes of the word. Defeat and shame is to be totally avoided in his mind set.
The Russian military has ALWAYS been over-rated. They are conscripts with not as much training as US troops and their equipment is not as good.

However, they are still a formidable force and thus far have not used the full power of the Russian military in an effort to minimize collateral damage.

Keep in mind that in WW2, the Germans did not give a crap about collateral damage and shelled the crap out of Kahrkov, and to a lesser extent Kiev, in Barbarosa. The Russians want to keep as much Ukranian infrastructure intact, as they will have to rebuild it if they destroy it.
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Old 03-01-2022, 09:54 AM
 
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Your either deluded or a Russian troll. Putin simply miscalculated!
I am not deluded, nor am I a Russian troll. I am a nonstatist who views all governments as full of s**t as my baseline outlook.

I just understand the events of the last 28 years with respect to NATO, Russia and Ukraine, and I also understand military and political tactics. Putin did not miscalculate. You think he did because you 100% believe what our media has told you what they think his objectives and strategy are. Against their straw man, sure, he failed.

Viewed impartially, however, through the lens of military and political science, his plan proceeds probably very close to how he imagined it would. One doesn't become a top boss in the KGB by being a dope, nor does one hold power for as long as he has without anticipating how things will play out. Our media needs to paint him as bumbling fool because it's the only way for the US, EU and NATO to save any face. Our leaders have political PR problems that Putin simply does not, and our media is the propaganda arm for our ruling class.

You drink their kooolaid, I get it. Doesn't mean Putin miscalculated or that I am a Russian troll. Just means you believe a narrative that our media spun for you.
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Old 03-01-2022, 09:57 AM
 
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Begone Russian troll. The reason why Russia hasn't achieved success is because they (Putin) badly miscalculated the resistance they'd face. I think Russian soldiers really thought they'd drive right up to Kiev, drag out the government, install a puppet regime, and slip out without too much collateral damage. The Russian people don't want this war. Ukrainians OBVIOUSLY don't want this war.

Putin wants this war. He can achieve his military goals if he wants to, but at catastrophic costs. Hopefully the people whispering in his ear convince him of a plan to withdraw and save face. Let them lie and claim "mission accomplished" if it ends the war.





Anyone who starts off calling me a Russian troll obviously thinks they have a weak argument. We agree on that.
Russia's objective is to restore water to Crimea and keep NATO out of Ukraine with as little collateral damage as possible.
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Old 03-01-2022, 10:01 AM
 
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The Russian military has ALWAYS been over-rated. They are conscripts with not as much training as US troops and their equipment is not as good.

However, they are still a formidable force and thus far have not used the full power of the Russian military in an effort to minimize collateral damage.

Keep in mind that in WW2, the Germans did not give a crap about collateral damage and shelled the crap out of Kahrkov, and to a lesser extent Kiev, in Barbarosa. The Russians want to keep as much Ukranian infrastructure intact, as they will have to rebuild it if they destroy it.
Russia will not be able to sustain a long bloody insurgency. When they invaded Ukraine, they stepped into quicksand. The Ukrainians will not stand down. Who would want to lead a Russian puppet Government in Ukraine??? The west is arming the population to the teeth.
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Old 03-01-2022, 10:04 AM
 
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Anyone who starts off calling me a Russian troll obviously thinks they have a weak argument. We agree on that.
Russia's objective is to restore water to Crimea and keep NATO out of Ukraine with as little collateral damage as possible.
They will not be able to beat the Ukrainians in a guerilla war when the west is sending as much ammo as it can to the population. They have showed they have the WILL to fight and we...the west....will oblige them.
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Old 03-01-2022, 10:12 AM
 
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They will not be able to beat the Ukrainians in a guerilla war when the west is sending as much ammo as it can to the population. They have showed they have the WILL to fight and we...the west....will oblige them.

Yeah, perfect territory for a guerilla war. You have no idea why Ukraine is actually Ukraine do you? Do you know why Romanians do not speak Slavic or Germanic languages?
A guerilla war in Ukraine means fighting in urban areas. So you want Ukrainians to be slaughtered. Good to know you will stand with them, eh tough guy?
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Old 03-01-2022, 10:16 AM
 
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Yeah, perfect territory for a guerilla war. You have no idea why Ukraine is actually Ukraine do you? Do you know why Romanians do not speak Slavic or Germanic languages?
A guerilla war in Ukraine means fighting in urban areas. So you want Ukrainians to be slaughtered. Good to know you will stand with them, eh tough guy?
I will support them in their fight anyway that I can. The more brutal this guerilla war is and the higher the number of body bags returning to Russia, the faster this will end. Sherman knew this in the American Civil War.
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Old 03-01-2022, 10:50 AM
 
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Russia has not yet used much of its potential arsenal. I think they were hoping that a limited war would result in the Ukraine quickly capitulating. Limited strikes would have left critical infrastructure standing and allow for its use afterward. A less harsh offensive leaving civilians alone may have also created less hatred for the Russians making it easier to control the populace in the future. Russia will unfortunately now go all in and strike with little regard to the consequences. It will unleash all it has. It will most likely take over a very decimated Ukraine with a hostile people who will probably continue to resist and perhaps be a part of a prolonged guerilla insurgency. Russia will eventually dread its invasion of its neighbor.
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Old 03-01-2022, 11:10 AM
 
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Is it just me or does Russia having a 40 mile convoy spotted on the way to Kiev supported by images and spread through the international media a good strategy or bad strategy. Do you think maybe the Ukrainian Military is reading the same news?? It's like....please ambush us.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...mpaign=article

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A senior U.S. defense official said Tuesday that the Russian military’s advance on Kyiv has “stalled” because of logistical issues, while Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky accused Russia of war crimes after an apparent strike on Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second-largest city.

“We generally sense that the Russia military movement to Kyiv is stalled at this point,” the official said in a briefing to reporters on Tuesday. The official noted that a 40-mile long convoy of Russian military vehicles, seen in satellite imagery, has not made meaningful progress toward the capital city in recent hours.
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