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Old 12-25-2021, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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https://thehill.com/policy/internati...-border-report

B-b-but I though the dems and repubs said the invasion was imminent.

Did our politicians lie to us?

Why would they do this?
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Old 12-25-2021, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Scare tactics.

"A stage of combat coordination of divisions, combat crews, squads at motorized units... has been completed. More than 10,000 military servicemen... will march to their permanent deployment from the territory of the combined arms' area of drills," the Russian army told Interfax, according to Reuters.

The number of Russian troops near the border has varied in reports from 90,000 to as high as 175,000, according to Reuters.
https://www.newsweek.com/russian-tro...n-high-1663145

So, 10,000 leaving doesn't really make much difference.
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Old 12-25-2021, 10:57 AM
 
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Russian Federation issues warning that it is aware of plans to create a false flag chemical attack in one of the insurgent republics (pay attention - they are republics now.) and is prepared to response accordingly. RF troops deploy to show, how quickly they can counter possible provocations. Normal military trainings is official cover.



NATO:
NATO members are sovereign countries and are at will to move their troops as they deem necessary.


Russia:
Russian Federation is a sovereign country and is at will to move its troops, as it deems necessary.


That said, Putin talks to Xi
Putin talks to Biden


Few days after Biden talk, Russia issues unprecedented demand to have its borders security guaranteed, with a note that "even written guarantees" will not be considered solid, knowing, how many times US and West violated signed treaties. Pay attention to absolutely sudden change in RF stance and change in the tone of voice, while talking to the West/US.



US administration does NOT fall into its standard "we are the king of the world, who the hell are you to speak up" rhetoric and consents to diplomatic solutions. Pay attention to the unprecedented change of tone of voice and stance, while talking to the Russian Federation.



RF moves some troops (likely, as sign of good will).


What will be West/US response is TBD.



There was never any chance of hot war in the Ukraine. No one is suicidal.
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Old 12-25-2021, 10:58 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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Trial Run
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Old 12-25-2021, 11:04 AM
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Trump called his pal Putin and asked him to tone it down a notch until like 2023.
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Old 12-25-2021, 11:06 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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"Reportedly"? We'll see.
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Old 12-25-2021, 11:25 AM
 
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Also, pay attention to one simple fact.
Any diplomatic solutions are done between the US, Russia AND NATO.

NATO is not sovereign country. Yet, it is drawn into conversations as such.
If the US signs a unilateral treaty with Russia and, NATO decides to go stubborn, US will back out of supporting it and Russian troops will stop at The End of the World in Portugal. Europe does not have any meaningful military force to prevent that. Entire Europe was on the US shoulders, in case SHTF. If US pulls out.......

Peculiarly, GB, after almost 4 yrs of BREXIT "talks", suddenly pulled the plug and broke away. Sort of, clearing the grounds not to be involved.

What used to be Warsaw treaty countries will WELCOME Russia, as they still remember prosperity and security, they had under the USSR. Vs economic disaster they are in now.
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Old 12-25-2021, 11:35 AM
 
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Originally Posted by ukrkoz View Post
Also, pay attention to one simple fact.
Any diplomatic solutions are done between the US, Russia AND NATO.

NATO is not sovereign country. Yet, it is drawn into conversations as such.
If the US signs a unilateral treaty with Russia and, NATO decides to go stubborn, US will back out of supporting it and Russian troops will stop at The End of the World in Portugal. Europe does not have any meaningful military force to prevent that. Entire Europe was on the US shoulders, in case SHTF. If US pulls out.......

Peculiarly, GB, after almost 4 yrs of BREXIT "talks", suddenly pulled the plug and broke away. Sort of, clearing the grounds not to be involved.

What used to be Warsaw treaty countries will WELCOME Russia, as they still remember prosperity and security, they had under the USSR. Vs economic disaster they are in now.





You think they don't remember the whole bunch of *other things* being part/satellites of the USSR?
The Soviet psychiatry used to "cure" the "unbelievers" ( in the beauty of the Soviet system,) the constant shortage of consumer goods, the infamous "deficit", the never-ending "hurray" to the "dear leader" right or wrong, no matter what?
Yes, I am well-aware of the strong sides of the Soviet system, but to say that it didn't have the dark side to it that's worth considering/remembering - excuse me

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Old 12-25-2021, 01:01 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Even Russians in Russia don't believe Putin will invade. But all this noise sure makes some exciting headlines no?
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Old 12-25-2021, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Trump called his pal Putin and asked him to tone it down a notch until like 2023.
Putin is Trump's "pal?"
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