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Historians tend to rate Reagan as an average or below average president- they don't judge by emotions, they go by real accomplishments and the results of their actions-
That's hilarious. Maybe you missed his presidential directives.
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Jimmy Carter was an officer on a nuclear sub. He had no degree in anything akin to nuclear physics, but his son does. Jimmy was a peanut farmer, his family's business.
He is a nice man but he is weak. He struggled under a terrible recession and very high interest rates under his administration. Iran toyed with him. He was basically ineffective. The tyrants of the world like him, which speaks volumes to those who can read between the lines. Trying to negotiate with a terrorist is like trying to negotiate with a rapist.
Gosh, we all remember the 20% prime rate! I actually have a book from then that has loan tables for mortgage interest rates that show the payment required for different rates. The book STARTS at 6%!
I find it ironic that the left claim Reagan made a deal with Iran to hold onto the hostages until he was elelcted, and the right claims Carter made some kind of deal with the U.S.S.R. to gain re-election- Carter's actions against the U.S.S.R. in Afghanistan were no weaker than what Reagan did once he was in office regarding the same issue- tell me what Reagan did differently that showed those evil empire goons to get out of Afghanistan?Reagan had inflation and a recession during his forst term, but the right always blames that on Carter, but say it wasn't NIxon's and Ford's fault for the inflation during Carter's term- the partison arguments I find here are really unbelievable sometimes-I would wager that the future historical record will be much better to Carter than it will be to Reagan/ BushI /BushII- of the three I bet BushI will fare the best of the Republicans-
The left? How about the the Soviet in charge himself?
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Carter expressed his concern about and opposition to Reagan's defense buildup. He boldly told Dobrynin that Moscow would be better off with someone else in the White House. If Reagan won, he warned, "There would not be a single agreement on arms control, especially on nuclear arms, as long as Reagan remained in power."
Using the Russians to influence the presidential election was nothing new for Carter.
Schweizer reveals Russian documents that show that in the waning days of the 1980 campaign, the Carter White House dispatched businessman Armand Hammer to the Soviet Embassy.
On the contrary, the idea was to keep the USSR in Afghanistan for as long as possible. At the same time, Reagan encouraged the Saudis to triple oil production to kill the price and stave the Soviet economy. At the same time, thanks to the late Charlie Wilson, the CIA supported the Afghan Mujaheddin against the Soviets. For every $1 million invested in Stinger missiles for the Afghans, it would cost the Soviets $5-10 million in destroyed equipment. The third point was to feign a super weapon initiative (SDI) so the Soviets would pour more money into their own military - which they did exorbitantly, eliminating production of civilian products. These three points caused civil unrest, a depressed economy, and eventually the fall of the Soviet Union.
That is just right wing BS- the U.S.S.R. was not brought down by Reagan- it was brought down by Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan,BushI-and the Pope, who had spent many years in Poland seeding the uprising that came from the Solidarity movement and Lech Walesa-but mainly it was brought down by Gorbachev, who enacted all of the economic and social changes necessary for the likes of Solidarity to rise up and win the election in Poland-it was Gorbachev's decision not to send in troops to stop the change in Poland- if there had been a hard line Soviet in charge of the U.S.S.R. during Gorbechev's time, the U.S.S.R. would have lasted many years past the time it finally came down because Gorbechev let it go-claiming Reagan brought down the U.S.S.R. is like claiming the fan in the stands cheering the man at home plate hit the home run the player knocked out of the park-
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Americans, above all else, want STRONG and decisive leadership from our President. We admire strong leaders- even if we do not agree with them. I did not agree with Reagan on almost anything. He really did things I disliked. But he was strong, decisive and took no crap. I always felt like somebody was "at the wheel" when he was there. I don't feel that way now although I like Obama's policies- the ones he ran on anyway.
That is just right wing BS- the U.S.S.R. was not brought down by Reagan- it was brought down by Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan,BushI-and the Pope, who had spent many years in Poland seeding the uprising that came from the Solidarity movement and Lech Walesa-but mainly it was brought down by Gorbachev, who enacted all of the economic and social changes necessary for the likes of Solidarity to rise up and win the election in Poland-it was Gorbachev's decision not to send in troops to stop the change in Poland- if there had been a hard line Soviet in charge of the U.S.S.R. during Gorbechev's time, the U.S.S.R. would have lasted many years past the time it finally came down because Gorbechev let it go-claiming Reagan brought down the U.S.S.R. is like claiming the fan in the stands cheering the man at home plate hit the home run the player knocked out of the park-
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by LECH WALESA
Friday, June 11, 2004 12:01 A.M. EDT
GDANSK, Poland--When talking about Ronald Reagan, I have to be personal. We in Poland took him so personally. Why? Because we owe him our liberty. This can't be said often enough by people who lived under oppression for half a century, until communism fell in 1989.
Poles fought for their freedom for so many years that they hold in special esteem those who backed them in their struggle. Support was the test of friendship. President Reagan was such a friend. His policy of aiding democratic movements in Central and Eastern Europe in the dark days of the Cold War meant a lot to us. We knew he believed in a few simple principles such as human rights, democracy and civil society. He was someone who was convinced that the citizen is not for the state, but vice-versa, and that freedom is an innate right.
You're not doing yourself any favors by repeating your indoctrinated nonsense. Go through those NSDD's, you'll see the frame work for the Soviet collapse. Something that no one thought would happen. Apparently, by your statement, you have no clue what detente, appeasement or co-existence even was.
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That is just right wing BS- the U.S.S.R. was not brought down by Reagan- it was brought down by Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan,BushI-and the Pope, who had spent many years in Poland seeding the uprising that came from the Solidarity movement and Lech Walesa-but mainly it was brought down by Gorbachev, who enacted all of the economic and social changes necessary for the likes of Solidarity to rise up and win the election in Poland-it was Gorbachev's decision not to send in troops to stop the change in Poland- if there had been a hard line Soviet in charge of the U.S.S.R. during Gorbechev's time, the U.S.S.R. would have lasted many years past the time it finally came down because Gorbechev let it go-claiming Reagan brought down the U.S.S.R. is like claiming the fan in the stands cheering the man at home plate hit the home run the player knocked out of the park-
Actually it was brought down by Walensa. But Reagan helped.
There is a spirit of Solidarity abroad in the world today that no physical force can crush. It crosses national boundaries and enters into the hearts of men and women everywhere. In factories, farms and schools, in cities and towns around the globe, we the people of the Free World stand as one with our Polish brothers and sisters. Their cause is ours.
Address at Moscow State University (May 31, 1988) Ronald Wilson Reagan
But freedom is more even than this. Freedom is the right to question and change the established way of doing things. It is the continuing revolution of the marketplace. It is the understanding that allows us to recognize shortcomings and seek solutions. It is the right to put forth an idea, scoffed at by the experts, and watch it catch fire among the people. It is the right to dream—to follow your dream or stick to your conscience, even if you're the only one in a sea of doubters. Freedom is the recognition that no single person, no single authority or government has a monopoly on the truth, but that every individual life is infinitely precious, that every one of us put on this world has been put there for a reason and has something to offer....
And we've been talking together about one sad reminder of a divided world: the Berlin Wall. It's time to remove the barriers that keep people apart.
Carter is a narcissist. Narcissists serve a self image, and will go to great lengths to do so. Serving that image usually results in distortions in the perception of reality. Carter's self-image is of a "good Christian boy". Christianity, as he knows it, leads one to extremes of liberalism, and that's where the problems lie.
He is an idealist, rather than a realist. His idealism led to his administration's role in the destruction of South Africa. Any realist would have foreseen what would happen (precisely what is happening), but an idealist like Carter could only see what a good Christian boy fighting Apartheid would make him. It's pretty easy to find images, online, of murdered South African farmers. I'll warn you though: they're horrifically gruesome. I'd imagine a few are being murdered, tonight. Mr. Goodguy, in part, can take credit for that.
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