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Old 03-03-2022, 02:29 PM
 
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I may quibble with that timeframe. Germany didn't become a power worth reckoning with until the 19th century. Until then, it was England, France and Spain - with some other powers (Netherlands, Portugal) enjoying a shorter time among those to be reckoned with. Mostly England and France, of course.
I'll stipulate. I mean Germany in a more broad sense of "Austro-Hungarian-Germanic folks east of France" than I do The Fatherland as we know it now.

But you are more accurate according to a 500 year timeline

 
Old 03-03-2022, 02:37 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Best policy going forward is to simply allow Putin to take as much as he wishes and has the manpower to take.


BTW, the Lusitania incident did not start WWI.
 
Old 03-03-2022, 03:13 PM
 
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I have not, but thank you very much for the tip. I have an excellent set of books on WW I, that started with John Keegan's "The First World War"

But I have been a WW I geek for the last 20 years, and am always happy to hear/read more sources.
As we are at sea in this thread, allow me to recommend Robert Massie's book "Dreadnought" about the naval arms race leading up to WWI. The Royal Navy launched HMS DREADNOUGHT in 1906 and she essentially turned every battleship in the world obsolete - including all of Britain's own, and they had the largest fleet. Which made some weaker naval powers - Germany among them - realize that if they started building dreadnoughts really fast, they could now challenge Britain for control of the high seas, or parts of them. Massie is a naval historian and may overstate the importance of naval matters, but his research is broad and deep. The follow-up volume, "Dreadnought", describes the naval actions - and also the lack of same, because dreadnoughts were expensive and symbolic, so all sides were wary of risking them.

Incidentally, if you find yourself in the small Danish village of Thyborøn, there's a very good Sea War museum, displaying among other things the periscope from U-20. It is a strange feeling to look through the exact eyepiece used to aim at the LUSITANIA.
 
Old 03-03-2022, 03:14 PM
 
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Best policy going forward is to simply allow Putin to take as much as he wishes and has the manpower to take.
Best for whom, exactly?
 
Old 03-03-2022, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
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Holy FN Shi! - would you idiots stop bi!chin' about the technicalities of my OP!!!

I obviously meant that the sinking of a ship carrying war material was the impetus for the US to enter WWI!

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It was this incident that was the primary reason for the US to enter WWI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cXI4np5K7E

OK now - everyone happy?!

Regardless - PUTIN WILL SHOOT DOWN/SINK/BOMB ANYTHING THAT IS CARRYING WEAPONS TO UKRAINE!!!

AND THIS WILL BE THE FUSE THAT STARTS WWIII!!!

Jees' Us FN Christ you people are dense!!!
 
Old 03-03-2022, 06:21 PM
 
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Some might argue that the bolded might entail voting for someone other than either Biden or Trump .

That never occurs to Trump voters. That to someone like me outside of the two parties that them voting for Trump is just as ridiculous and Biden voters voting for Biden. Trump is slightly better. But neither has an bragging rights.
 
Old 03-03-2022, 06:23 PM
 
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Best for whom, exactly?
Best for Putin and his loyalists.
 
Old 03-03-2022, 06:27 PM
 
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What happens when Putin missiles trucks in Poland proper, a NATO country, and that triggers an automatic retaliation?

NATO retaliates and has the forced to crush the Russian military. If he tries nukes we turn Russia to rubble. Leave nothing left.
 
Old 03-03-2022, 06:28 PM
 
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Holy FN Shi! - would you idiots stop bi!chin' about the technicalities of my OP!!!

I obviously meant that the sinking of a ship carrying war material was the impetus for the US to enter WWI!

OK now - everyone happy?!

Regardless - PUTIN WILL SHOOT DOWN/SINK/BOMB ANYTHING THAT IS CARRYING WEAPONS TO UKRAINE!!!

AND THIS WILL BE THE FUSE THAT STARTS WWIII!!!

Jees' Us FN Christ you people are dense!!!
No, you used an incredibly bad amount of capitalization. Please revise all your previous posts, and try to carbon offset by walking all all trips over 500 miles.
 
Old 03-03-2022, 06:40 PM
 
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NATO retaliates and has the forced to crush the Russian military. If he tries nukes we turn Russia to rubble. Leave nothing left.
And in return we are also in rubble and the world is an irradiated mess.
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