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Old 03-03-2022, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Why? Massachusetts is a major importer of Russian LNG and has been for years.
The Senator from Massachusetts doesn’t seem to be aware of that.
Where do you see this information? A cursory search shows that the Algonquin Gas Transmission is connected to the Texas Eastern Pipeline and the Maritimes & Northeast Pipeline. In Canada they are looking at building the Goldboro terminal to EXPORT LNG to Germany. That presumes that there is an abundance of LNG. Logistically it doesn't make sense to buy LNG from Russia, bring it to Massachusetts, pipe it up to Canada and then send it over the pond to Germany.

Something doesn't add up.
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Old 03-03-2022, 01:57 PM
 
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Traders and refineries have not bought oil from Russia, this year, despite no embargo.


https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...it-2022-03-01/
Carefully worded - it’s not Russian Crude
It’s Russian LNG

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Where do you see this information? A cursory search shows that the Algonquin Gas Transmission is connected to the Texas Eastern Pipeline and the Maritimes & Northeast Pipeline. In Canada they are looking at building the Goldboro terminal to EXPORT LNG to Germany. That presumes that there is an abundance of LNG. Logistically it doesn't make sense to buy LNG from Russia, bring it to Massachusetts, pipe it up to Canada and then send it over the pond to Germany.

Something doesn't add up.
Essentially it won’t matter - a ban on Russian Petrochemicals is never going to pass - unless they fix The Jones Act. From an Environment standpoint piped Natural Gas is cleanest, and most cost friendly + has more power than LNG.

I posted 3 LINKS - I don’t do drive by “cursory” stories as important as this.
Algonquin can’t come close to suppling the needs. They are forced into using the Russian LNG.
Some of that LNG was coming from Trinity & Tobago when the terminal first opened, now it’s from Russia

elevated-lng-prices-lift-algonquin-city-gates-winter-strip] Algonquin city-gates' geographic footprint – encompassing deliveries to end-users in Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Connecticut – has limited pipeline inflow capacity, leading the region to import LNG during the winter.

Algonquin Gas Transmission's pipeline design reduces northbound flow capacity the closer the pipeline gets to Boston, with capacity dropping from around 1.97 Bcf/d at Stony Point in New York to around 1.12 Bcf/d at Burrillville in Rhode Island. Although Maritimes pipeline was designed in part to bring gas into the premium US New England gas market, this hasn't always worked out as neatly in practice.

Three LNG terminals can bring imported gas to the Algonquin city-gate area: Everett LNG in Boston, Northeast Gateway Deepwater Port offshore Boston and Canaport LNG in Eastern Canada via Maritimes pipeline.


EIA QUICK FACTS - Massachusetts

*The liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminal in Everett, Massachusetts, received 60% of the nation's total LNG imports in 2020.

*Massachusetts uses less energy to produce a dollar of gross domestic product (GDP) than all but two other states, New York and California.

*Massachusetts consumes almost three times as much electricity as the state produces, but it uses less electricity per capita than all but three other states.

*In 2020, solar energy accounted for 19% of Massachusetts' total in-state electricity net generation and accounted for almost two-thirds of the solar electricity net generation in New England. Massachusetts also ranked ninth in the nation in net generation from all solar in 2020.

*More than half of Massachusetts households use natural gas for home heating, about one in four rely on fuel oil, and about one in six households use electricity.
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Old 03-03-2022, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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I think this would be a bad idea, because then fuel costs would only rise even more.
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Old 03-03-2022, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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I think this would be a bad idea, because then fuel costs would only rise even more.
Democrats like high energy prices - they want to do anything and everything to increase pain for everyone, so that it’s easier to justify the cost of renewables.

Really, like I’ve been saying, if they launched an “all of the above” energy strategy (including domestic production of of fossil fuels and nuclear until other sources become more viable) to get America to be as energy independent as possible, I would be totally on board and would give credit where credit is due - but we know they won’t do that.
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Old 03-03-2022, 02:06 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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It's only being done because it hit the media news and so someone in Congress has to react.
And now the media suspects that the US is funding this war by importing Russian oil.

What about aluminum, platinum, iron, steel or wheat ? Or a host of other imports from Russia ?
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Old 03-03-2022, 02:26 PM
 
Location: In a George Strait Song
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[b][et about 30% of their Energy from Russia also.

This is the sort of idiotic stuff that happens when Lawyers, turned Politician get involved in something know nothing about. Usually it’s Ideology - like the Green .new .deal, which Markey wrote and sponsored in the Senate - but sometimes it’s because they don’t even know what’s going in their own States, only what Polls say.
Get it yet?

Ukraine is being used to usher in the Green New Deal. I posted this on another thread but looks like that thread was deleted—this is the catalyst to “transition” the US off of fossil fuels.

Here’s a video of the Transportation Secretary admitting as much:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...gy-transition/

Additionally Mayor Pete has stated that there is no intention of reinstating work on the Keystone XL pipeline or opening up drilling or fracking in the US.

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I think this would be a bad idea, because then fuel costs would only rise even more.
They don’t care.
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Old 03-03-2022, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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Get it yet?

Ukraine is being used to usher in the Green New Deal. I posted this on another thread but it bears repeating—this is the catalyst to “transition” the US off of fossil fuels.

Here’s a video of the Transportation Secretary admitting as much:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...gy-transition/

Additionally Mayor Pete has stated that there is no intention of reinstating work on the Keystone XL pipeline or opening up drilling or fracking in the US.
Opening up drilling and fracking has long-term consequences for the environment, wildlife and citizens when spills occur, not to mention the chemicals used in fracking are very harmful.

Iceland has stopped using coal as a source of energy and if they can do it, so can we. The U.S. needs to be innovative and look into renewable resources of energy and move in that direction. We could use the $10 billion that The Whitehouse wants to give to Ukraine and instead invest in more renewable energy here in the U.S. ---It's cleaner, better for the planet and the direction we need to go.
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Old 03-03-2022, 02:34 PM
 
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Get it yet?

Ukraine is being used to usher in the Green New Deal. I posted this on another thread but looks like that thread was deleted—this is the catalyst to “transition” the US off of fossil fuels.

Here’s a video of the Transportation Secretary admitting as much:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...gy-transition/

Additionally Mayor Pete has stated that there is no intention of reinstating work on the Keystone XL pipeline or opening up drilling or fracking in the US.



They don’t care.
Oh they care alright —- they care about their poll numbers and they care that sentiment is now that the USA is Funding Russia while we watch the Slaughter of Ukrainians on the TeeVee.

They will CARE even more after Democrats, including Pelosi say YES - we should Ban Russian Petrochemicals and then walk it back, which they WILL do,
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Old 03-03-2022, 02:36 PM
 
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Opening up drilling and fracking has long-term consequences for the environment, wildlife and citizens when spills occur, not to mention the chemicals used in fracking are very harmful.

Iceland has stopped using coal as a source of energy and if they can do it, so can we. The U.S. needs to be innovative and look into renewable resources of energy and move in that direction. We could use the $10 billion that The Whitehouse wants to give to Ukraine and instead invest in more renewable energy here in the U.S. ---It's cleaner, better for the planet and the direction we need to go.
The population of Iceland is 366,425 ….. I live in a city larger than that.
That’s like comparing a raisin to a Pineapple
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Old 03-03-2022, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Uh-huh. So the U.S. will simply start importing more gas and oil from Canada... who got it from Mexico... who got it from Venezuela... who got it from Russia.

Or, Venezuela will send more genuine, Venezuela-produced oil to the west... while buying more Russian oil to replace it for their own internal use.

Banning Russian oil in the United States is a completely futile gesture, designed only to pretend we are "doing something". Oil is fungible and can easily be shipped and re-shipped around the world.

The only thing that can work is for all peaceable nations to get together and make a treaty to simultaneously pass such measures for all of them.
They can block the pipelines and ports where its shipped from.
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