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Little Vlad would have USA enter the war on his mentor, Big Vlad's side. LOL. After all listen to actual words of Little Vlad praising Big Vlad as a genius for invading Ukraine. Jeesh some people not only have blinders on but selective ear plugs, they cant hear what their own demi god is saying if its inconvenient to what they want to believe.
Not to mention that the ones claiming to champion freedom are hypocrites because they support a party platform that is against people having the freedom to marry any other consenting adult they choose to marry and is against a woman's right to freely make all choices for her own body.
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Your neighbors house is being ransacked what do you, sit by and watch? No, you help defend your neighbors from attack or call the police- an authority everyone should help pay for. Some neighbors can defend themselves. Some can not. And you can't defend all them either.
Forming an alliance offers access to ports, bases and intelligence in times of peace we wouldn't have otherwise.
Unlike Russia, this alliance gives the US a near global awareness of real rime military actions world wide. Russia doesn't have that.
Ukraine is getting NATO and US intelligence to help locate Russian military locations which is helping Ukraine defend itself.
Alliances are good. Sitting back and watching democracies fall to totalitarian states would not be good. Just as if ransackers kicked your neighbors out of their homes and started living in them.
Non US NATO members are currently announcing vast increases in defence spending and unprecedented post Cold War rearmament.
However even back in 2018, non -US NATO members made significant contributions.
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Originally Posted by Here’s why the United States needs NATO (2018)
NATO is a force multiplier that gives the United States access to military tools in greater numbers than it can achieve by itself.
* Non-US NATO members have 1,857,000 active duty service members and 1,232,290 reservists. The seven largest non-US NATO member armies have the same number of active duty troops as the United States (1.3 million).
* Non-US NATO members can deploy 6,983 battle tanks, 34,000 armored vehicles, 2,600 combat aircraft, 382 attack helicopters, 252 major naval craft (including submarines), and 1,582 patrol and surface combatants.
* France and the United Kingdom alone provide 30 percent of the Alliance’s ballistic-missile-submarine fleet.
* NATO’s European members are beginning to host the first stages of the Alliance’s new ballistic-missile-defense system aimed at preventing long-range attacks by rogue states on the United States and Europe.
* NATO members frequently share intelligence across the Alliance, aiding US operations and intelligence-gathering. The United Kingdom, France, and Germany alone add 40,000 intelligence personnel to the Alliance’s intelligence capabilities.
* Non-US NATO members host twenty-eight US main operating bases in Europe, which cut down on the time needed for the United States to respond to a crisis and are critical for US missions in the Middle East and North Africa.
* In 2009, for example, Germany contributed $800 million to offset and improve its US bases.
NATO undertakes numerous missions to protect member states and promote security around the globe.
* NATO has five active missions around the world deploying 18,000 troops.
* Since the end of the Cold War, NATO has completed thirteen missions including two in the United States (Hurricane Katrina relief and post-9/11 air reconnaissance patrol).
* NATO allies contributed thousands of troops to the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan, including 38,000 in 2011, saving the United States an estimated $49 billion that year. The operation in Afghanistan was the first and only time NATO’s mutual defense commitment was invoked.
* Non-US members sustained more than 1,000 combat deaths in Afghanistan, with an additional one hundred lost by NATO partners.
* Non-US NATO members contributed more than 60 percent of assets for Operation Unified Protector in Libya.
* Non-US Coalition members flew one-third of all coalition airstrikes against the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) in Operation Inherent Resolve.
* NATO’s Operation Ocean Shield against piracy in the Gulf of Aden has been led at different times by Denmark, Spain, Norway, Italy, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, and Portugal.
NATO supports and protects the economies of Europe, which are critical to the health of the US economy.
* US trade with the European Union reached $699 billion in 2015, only made possible because of the security and stability provided by NATO.
* US exports to the former Communist NATO member states (not including East Germany) grew from $0.9 billion in 1989 to $9.4 billion in 2016.
* Non-US NATO members rely heavily on the US defense industry to supply their forces. Currently, European members are planning to purchase as many as 500 new F-35s from the United States.
Maybe you're too young to remember a war in Europe and other places starting in 1939 and not ending until 1945 leaving much of Europe in ruins and 70-80 million people dead. It was called World War II, and the United States led the creation of NATO in Europe.
Maybe you're too young to remember why NATO was formed. The Soviet Union is no longer as of late 1991.
Your neighbors house is being ransacked what do you, sit by and watch? No, you help defend your neighbors from attack or call the police- an authority everyone should help pay for. Some neighbors can defend themselves. Some can not. And you can't defend all them either.
Forming an alliance offers access to ports, bases and intelligence in times of peace we wouldn't have otherwise.
Unlike Russia, this alliance gives the US a near global awareness of real rime military actions world wide. Russia doesn't have that.
Ukraine is getting NATO and US intelligence to help locate Russian military locations which is helping Ukraine defend itself.
Alliances are good. Sitting back and watching democracies fall to totalitarian states would not be good. Just as if ransackers kicked your neighbors out of their homes and started living in them.
Our neighbors would then have their property rights violated and the trespassers should be dealt with. Just like when America illegally invades and occupies sovereign nations.
Where is the Constitution does it give our government the authority to protect other nations borders when no nation has attacked us?
You posted "Sitting back and watching democracies fall to totalitarian states would not be good."
Yet America goes into Iran and helps over throw their democratically elected leader, all for oil interests. Our sanctions killed over half a million Iraqi children.
There was no NATO prior to WW2 and the world was able to rally against Germany, Italy, Japan pretty quickly when they went rogue. I don't think we need to fund a permanent deterrent for a "what if?" scenario.
Someone has to murder innocents. If not America, then who?
The USA continues in NATO in order to more easily maintain its geopolitical footprint across continents and uphold the hyperpolar hegemony its assumed since the end of the Cold War. How many wars have not been sanctioned or seen direct US involvement since the 90s outside of irrelevant skirmishes in Africa? Regardless of its abhorrence, the Eurasian international power structure that Russia spearheads poses as a counterbalancing force to the pan-Western globalist entity that's been spreading for decades now.
Personally I think the USA should pull out of NATO. The European countries should be able to collectively defend themselves with the CSDP and whatever non European commitments to NATO like Canada and Turkey can provide. If its overseas bases which are the concern the USA has facilities throughout the Middle East and parts of Africa including Tunisia which is a country with Mediterranean access; that's not including Israel even though our facilities there only include a radar post.
Non US NATO members are currently announcing vast increases in defence spending and unprecedented post Cold War rearmament.
However even back in 2018, non -US NATO members made significant contributions.
Yep...the question is Do we need a STRONG NATO and EU Alliance....and thinks to Putin those wheels have been set in motion. So we can think him for lighting a fire under Western Europe.
Seriously, why do we bother helping Europe out with anything. When was the last time they helped us out? We spend billions in taxes to fund our military to protect Europe, and this is how so many European countries can afford free health care, 2 years of paid maternity leave, etc. And you know Europe hates the USA, so again, why bother?????
Because otherwise Europe becomes a vassal of Russia and / or China.
We’ve decided it’s in our interest for Europe to be our vassal rather than China’s or Russia’s.
Do you really want all of Eurasia to be united under a single power? That would be a huge threat to the USA and the rest of the world.
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