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Old 03-14-2022, 08:00 AM
 
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Really, gas prices started going up during Trump's last six months.

You mean returning to pre-covid levels.



What was the average price on Election Day? And polling during those last six months showed an increasing likelihood that the next admin would be the energy-unfriendly one. Businesses react to what they expect to happen not just what has already happened.
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Old 03-14-2022, 10:17 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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We keep getting back to the bolded the reason gas jumped is the world markets, the price of gas is determined globally just like every other product, not by the US alone. I don't blame it entirely on Russia's invasion but world events like wars certainly drive prices and besides our production is down around 10% from the 2019 record. The US produced 12.29 million barrels per day in 2019, 11.28 million in 2020 and 11.18 in 2021, so how does a drop of less than 10% cause a doubling of gas prices and if that is true why wasn't that the case in earlier years.

What power did Biden give the EPA, what specific power.
Ahhh, there's the rub with the EPA. One of the huge things Trump did as far as the EPA goes is easing the"evironmental impact" requirements for exploration and development of oil and gas resources. As to "specific" powers the EPA has always had carte blanche to write regulatory requirements on any given project as they go. For example, if an energy company pinpoints an oil or gas deposit, knows beyond all doubt it is there and just needs to be tapped and is ready to do so the EPA can and will unless reined in toss whatever requirements tired to environmental factors they can dream up.

The resources could be on the most barren lifeless patch of dirt in the country but the EPA will still hobble the entity looking to get after the oil gas or whatever with the cost of in depth impact studies. And whatever else they can pull out of thin air. With the EPA regulations and laws don't have to be in place with congressional and executive approval and follow specific guidelines. That agency has ha the power to write policy as they go and make it stick. Drilling, tapping and pumping refining all of it they can hold up as long as they want and run cost of developing any resource as expensive as they desire.

Trump had reined that in. The arbitrary power the EPA has always enjoyed got a loop tossed on it. The Biden puppet show turned it all loose again. What projects and development weren't killed dead outright by executive order the regulatory attack dog of the EPA was set loose on. With renewed fervor. The power the EPA has been given back ( Trump was the only prez to rein them in) isn't "specific" per se. It's unwritten and always has been. Arbitrary power to write policy and regulatory requirements as they go.

The EPA is the means by which development and application of our domestic energy resources is controlled. Trump is the only president to jack slap them and get their boots of the neck of the energy companies. Biden put those boots back on. Keystone was quite literally just that. A keystone. New refinery assets were hinged on it though as I said earlier that's a chronic not acute issue. The world market does not dictate our domestic energy production. There is absolutely NO reason that we here in the US should be feeling the impact of Russia's shenanigans at the gas pump the way we are.

The US could and should be a top alpha dog in the world energy field. Do you think Saudi Arabia is getting hit at the gas pump like we are? And if the Blue Green Banana Bunch would get out of the way we would be just fine on energy. Not just gasoline but fuel oil natural gas LP gas coal even nuclear. Here's an interesting factoid for ya. LP gas. Propane. A VERY useful resource. It's a waste byproduct of oil refining. Those big flaming stacks you see at refineries? That's LP they are just burning off.

A conservative number for LP gas production to use here in the US is between 75-85%. We do NOT import hardly any of the stuff. We make it right here. It's always been an under utilized source of energy. And there's no excuse for it to be as expensive as it is. It need not follow world markets here. Of course NONE of our petroleum resources need follow world markets. State and the federal governments also share a LOT of blame in what we are paying for gas outside of the regulatory arena. Gas taxes. Especially in leftist enclaves like CA taxes are just insane. The federal government via the Biden puppet show is soley at fault for our current state of things.

(sigh) The Blue Green Banana Bunch keeps telling us that Biden is not to blame. He has no power over our energy. Then how is it that by executive order he he roped tied and nutted all the energy development projects that were being done? Plans for refineries, drilling and tapping and though I know it annoys you to hear it's part of the works, pipelines.

The Biden puppet show and the Dem Blue Green Banana Bunch are the infection that is killing our energy resource body. That's just a fact. World markets be damned.
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Old 03-14-2022, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Trump is out there every day claiming the US was energy independent when he was POTUS.

Nothing could be further from the truth.
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Old 03-14-2022, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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1. only a few republicans "pounced" (15 of them)


2. some of the far left also "pounced" … Ilhan Omar , cori bush
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Old 03-14-2022, 10:34 AM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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Is this thread ignorance or stupidity or disingenuous?
It's propaganda.
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Old 03-14-2022, 10:36 AM
 
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I would bet the Russian oil is still flowing into the US in the same amounts as it was before this...the American public has no way of knowing if Russian oil was actually banned...just because our govt says it was...does not mean its true in anyway people. LOL
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Old 03-15-2022, 04:39 AM
 
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Ahhh, there's the rub with the EPA. One of the huge things Trump did as far as the EPA goes is easing the"evironmental impact" requirements for exploration and development of oil and gas resources. As to "specific" powers the EPA has always had carte blanche to write regulatory requirements on any given project as they go. For example, if an energy company pinpoints an oil or gas deposit, knows beyond all doubt it is there and just needs to be tapped and is ready to do so the EPA can and will unless reined in toss whatever requirements tired to environmental factors they can dream up.

The resources could be on the most barren lifeless patch of dirt in the country but the EPA will still hobble the entity looking to get after the oil gas or whatever with the cost of in depth impact studies. And whatever else they can pull out of thin air. With the EPA regulations and laws don't have to be in place with congressional and executive approval and follow specific guidelines. That agency has ha the power to write policy as they go and make it stick. Drilling, tapping and pumping refining all of it they can hold up as long as they want and run cost of developing any resource as expensive as they desire.

Trump had reined that in. The arbitrary power the EPA has always enjoyed got a loop tossed on it. The Biden puppet show turned it all loose again. What projects and development weren't killed dead outright by executive order the regulatory attack dog of the EPA was set loose on. With renewed fervor. The power the EPA has been given back ( Trump was the only prez to rein them in) isn't "specific" per se. It's unwritten and always has been. Arbitrary power to write policy and regulatory requirements as they go.

The EPA is the means by which development and application of our domestic energy resources is controlled. Trump is the only president to jack slap them and get their boots of the neck of the energy companies. Biden put those boots back on. Keystone was quite literally just that. A keystone. New refinery assets were hinged on it though as I said earlier that's a chronic not acute issue. The world market does not dictate our domestic energy production. There is absolutely NO reason that we here in the US should be feeling the impact of Russia's shenanigans at the gas pump the way we are.

The US could and should be a top alpha dog in the world energy field. Do you think Saudi Arabia is getting hit at the gas pump like we are? And if the Blue Green Banana Bunch would get out of the way we would be just fine on energy. Not just gasoline but fuel oil natural gas LP gas coal even nuclear. Here's an interesting factoid for ya. LP gas. Propane. A VERY useful resource. It's a waste byproduct of oil refining. Those big flaming stacks you see at refineries? That's LP they are just burning off.

A conservative number for LP gas production to use here in the US is between 75-85%. We do NOT import hardly any of the stuff. We make it right here. It's always been an under utilized source of energy. And there's no excuse for it to be as expensive as it is. It need not follow world markets here. Of course NONE of our petroleum resources need follow world markets. State and the federal governments also share a LOT of blame in what we are paying for gas outside of the regulatory arena. Gas taxes. Especially in leftist enclaves like CA taxes are just insane. The federal government via the Biden puppet show is soley at fault for our current state of things.

(sigh) The Blue Green Banana Bunch keeps telling us that Biden is not to blame. He has no power over our energy. Then how is it that by executive order he he roped tied and nutted all the energy development projects that were being done? Plans for refineries, drilling and tapping and though I know it annoys you to hear it's part of the works, pipelines.

The Biden puppet show and the Dem Blue Green Banana Bunch are the infection that is killing our energy resource body. That's just a fact. World markets be damned.
"As to "specific" powers the EPA has always had carte blanche"
One farmer fought them for YEARS because they saw a spot on his farm that holds for a few days when it rains and all he wanted to do was to level it out so he could plant his crop.
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Old 03-15-2022, 05:01 AM
 
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I would bet the Russian oil is still flowing into the US in the same amounts as it was before this...the American public has no way of knowing if Russian oil was actually banned...just because our govt says it was...does not mean its true in anyway people. LOL
It stopped a couple weeks before Biden's ban. The oil industry refused delivery. Mainly because they expected a ban and did not want to be stuck with oil they could not process or sell.
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Old 03-26-2022, 10:43 PM
 
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Didn't Russia cyber Attack America while Trump was in office???Office???? Like directly attacked the US not another 3rd world sheetole in Europe but the United States and Trump still was kissing outins arse lol That's your solution yikes lol
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Old 03-27-2022, 01:46 PM
 
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Didn't Russia cyber Attack America while Trump was in office???Office???? Like directly attacked the US not another 3rd world sheetole in Europe but the United States and Trump still was kissing outins arse lol That's your solution yikes lol

Are you asking if they did or saying that they did? If the latter, please provide references.
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