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It's nonsense, is what it is.
Ukraine will suffer enormously, but when it all ends Ukraine will still exist. Germany lost WW2 and Ukraine will lose this round. But like Germany, Ukraine will still be there.
The loser, it appears, will be Russia, who may never recover from this gross overstep.
It's nonsense, is what it is.
Ukraine will suffer enormously, but when it all ends Ukraine will still exist. Germany lost WW2 and Ukraine will lose this round. But like Germany, Ukraine will still be there.
The loser, it appears, will be Russia, who may never recover from this gross overstep.
1. Much of the Ukraine military was defeated in the first 48 hours of Russia's military operations.
Most of Ukraine's aircraft, much of their armor, and military bases were knocked out in precision airstrikes.
2. Ukraine's airbases have been disabled and they can no longer operate aircraft.
3. President Zelensky had to call for foreign volunteers and civilians to take up arms because Ukraine's military was barely functional after the initial onslaught, and there were mass desertions among Ukraine troops.
4. As of right now, the remnants of the Ukraine military, along with foreign volunteers, are waging a guerilla style war against Russian convoys.
5. But the reality is that there isn't much fighting going on at all. That's why there is a lack of actual combat footage from this conflict. Compared to the invasion of Iraq in 2003, in which we saw plenty of actual combat footage, the Ukraine war has given us very little combat footage, despite cell phones & cheap cameras being more widespread than ever before. Aside from small pockets of Ukraine resistance attacking the occasional Russian convoy or firing a stinger at Russian helicopters, there isn't much else going on.
6. Putin has slowed down his advancing military in hopes of forcing Ukraine to make a deal. If Putin has to send his troops into downtown Kiev and other major cities, it likely will result in a massive loss of life. Putin wants to avoid this scenario.
7. There was a Russian convoy many miles long North of Kiev that sat there for a whole week and was never touched by Ukraine forces. This was a prime target but Ukraine simply did not have the ability to attack this convoy. Their military is barely functional.
8. Whatever losses Russia incurred were mostly incurred during the first week of fighting when Ukraine still had aircraft operational and could attack Russian targets.
9. The foreign volunteers (many are NATO military vets) who've joined the fight in Ukraine are going to find out the hard way what it is like to face a modern military power. Their previous experience fighting Iraqi peasants & Taliban armed with AK-47's & RPG's cannot prepare them for the brutality of facing aerial attacks by Russian jets and attack helicopters, and having to go up against Russian tanks & armored vehicles. These foreign volunteers will have zero air cover or armor to support them.
A British veteran who volunteered in Ukraine and who barely managed to escape alive sums it up quite well:
This conflict is mostly a foregone conclusion, Russia will probably force Zelensky to make a deal, recognizing Crimea and the Donbas as Russian territory, and agreeing not to join NATO.
The head of the Russian AF disagrees with you..! Captured Russian pilot admits to bombing civilians, urges Russia to stop assault: 'We have already lost this war' https://www.businessinsider.com/capt...assault-2022-3
The head of the Russian AF disagrees with you..! Captured Russian pilot admits to bombing civilians, urges Russia to stop assault: 'We have already lost this war' https://www.businessinsider.com/capt...assault-2022-3
He was shot down on March 6 and obviously tortured/coerced into making that statement. I don’t agree with the thread premise but this counterpoint is bizarre.
Ukraine will suffer enormously, but when it all ends Ukraine will still exist. Germany lost WW2 and Ukraine will lose this round. But like Germany, Ukraine will still be there.
There’s a massive difference between post-war reconstruction of Germany and Ukraine.
One can bounce back from war, the other is the poorest country in Europe even after 30 years post Soviet Union.
You might as well compare Japan and Afghanistan’s post war reconstruction.
He was shot down on March 6 and obviously tortured/coerced into making that statement. I don’t agree with the thread premise but this counterpoint is bizarre.
Why do you think that it is obvious that he was tortured/coerced into making that statement?
Perhaps he was, or perhaps what he is saying is true. However, there is nothing to make a real call either way.
There’s a massive difference between post-war reconstruction of Germany and Ukraine.
One can bounce back from war, the other is the poorest country in Europe even after 30 years post Soviet Union.
You might as well compare Japan and Afghanistan’s post war reconstruction.
The difference, My Friend - important and huge - is the Ukrainian people are doing the work themselves. The assistance to Ukraine will virtually never stop and neither with the resistance to Russian soldiers and politicians. There will never be a time when Russian soldiers can walk a Ukrainian street and feel completely safe.
Ukraine has recently discovered deposits of 39T C/Ft of gas. Without a Russian presence, that huge deposit will be utilized and the landscape changed. And Russia will no longer be able to route its gas through Ukraine.
I am more optimistic than most, but I feel I have the facts on my side.
Listen to this ex soldier explain the intricacies of Russian vs Ukrainian communications, procedures and even weapons. He served in the Estonian army as a communication specialist. The Russians, it seems, have a very serious problem - and who could be surprised given the level of arrogance and corruption in their leadership?
As he says, why bomb that famous convoy? No one will idle an engine for 10 days, so they have run out of fuel and food in 30 degree weather. It appears the best that could be done was to shove the vehicles off the road - the media calls this "dispersed".
Many posters refuse to see that there is another side to this conflict, even when provided with evidence they call people trying to share the truth bots or Russian propagandists. I think it's fair to say this has been building for years and for people to consider there is more to this than what is being said in the media.
Well, you may trust Pinocchio once or twice, but after the third lie (or gross exaggeration) in this and other CD fora the Putin fans deserve being called Russian bots.
confusing.
if hardly any fighting is going on, how can it be the most horrifically brutal fighting ever?
Compared to any major war in the past, the extent of the fighting here is relatively minor, but the fighting itself is brutal, considering Russia has total control of the air and can ceaselessly hit Ukraine soldiers & volunteer fighters with endless attacks via fighter bombers and attack helicopters.
There isn't much combat footage coming out from this conflict, and I suspect that is because Russia has the upper hand in most of the combat engagements, and the western media won't show footage of Russians winning or blowing up Ukraine soldiers.
Zelensky is trying to hold out as long as possible to get better terms for himself (so he can hold onto power) and Ukraine -- while Putin is trying to apply pressure to force Zelensky to make a deal on his terms.
Putin is surrounding the major cities, and he may end up sending foreign fighters to assault them. If Putin's military takes too many casualties, he'll probably lose favor among his own military, government and the
Russian people.
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