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Old 03-17-2022, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Southeast US
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Originally Posted by Blondy View Post
As we previously discussed, the bill is so vague there is no way to know if the bill means don't say gay until we see how it is implemented. It certainly can be interpreted that way. I believe it is intentionally vague so parents can weaponize it to mean don't say gay. I also think it may ultimately be struck down by a court because of that vagueness.

Putting that aside, people give nick names to bills all the time. Even legislators themselves do it.

Were you bothered by people calling the Affordable Care Act(or its longer official name I dont remember) Obamacare as a pejorative?

Does it bother you that the Texas Legislature falsely call their 6 week restriction on abortion law the Heartbeat bill to play on people's emotions even though there is no heartbeat involved....and only cardiac activity and noise from medical equipment that sounds like a heartbeat?
Was OBAMA or the Dems bothered by it being called Obamacare?

The Texas bill was not a 6 week restriction. If one wants to differentiate between an actual heartbeat and cardiac activity, that's not my fight. But it literally was referred to as the Heartbeat Act.

Was there really such a thing as "Trump's Muslim Ban"? Of course not

"remain in Mexico" was not any policy - it was actually the Migrant Protection Protocols (a good government name). But it pretty clearly and accurately described the policy, yes?

It's almost like the MSM "learned their lesson" from the MPP/Remain in Mexico (on the heels of Muslim ban) - ALWAYS find a way to cast Rep policy/bills into a negative light.

The question is ... why did the media so thoroughly and completely pick up calling it the "Don't say Gay" bill when that's quite inaccurate?

And is it OK for the MSM to label bills that aren't proffered by Dems something negative and to create the dialogue around those false names?

 
Old 03-17-2022, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Exactly and the only reason he's doing it is to use children and parental fears republicans are intentionally drumming up to win votes.

These are not real widespread problems.

A real problem is that about 50% of FL children are not ready for Kindergarten when they show up. Lets see some legislation to address that instead of all the bogus legislation which is nothing more than red meat for his base.
The more I explain it from the child’s side, it’s just goes right past their understanding. They can’t see anything past their Rep agenda.
 
Old 03-17-2022, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Southeast US
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Yep.

And stupid DeSantis calling voters and teachers who vote "groomers"

He must have forgotten how well it worked for Hillary Clinton to call republican voters "deplorables"

Too stupid for words........both of them.
a link to DeSantis calling them groomers please. Not this op-ed from someone not in his administration
 
Old 03-17-2022, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Was OBAMA or the Dems bothered by it being called Obamacare?

The Texas bill was not a 6 week restriction. If one wants to differentiate between an actual heartbeat and cardiac activity, that's not my fight. But it literally was referred to as the Heartbeat Act.

Was there really such a thing as "Trump's Muslim Ban"? Of course not

"remain in Mexico" was not any policy - it was actually the Migrant Protection Protocols (a good government name). But it pretty clearly and accurately described the policy, yes?

It's almost like the MSM "learned their lesson" from the MPP/Remain in Mexico (on the heels of Muslim ban) - ALWAYS find a way to cast Rep policy/bills into a negative light.

The question is ... why did the media so thoroughly and completely pick up calling it the "Don't say Gay" bill when that's quite inaccurate?

And is it OK for the MSM to label bills that aren't proffered by Dems something negative and to create the dialogue around those false names?
To answer us I think instead of just saying - can’t talk about sex, It went into gender identity. We were not in the Capitol to hear the verbal or written discussion- it might have derived it's name from that. Is that not normally what happens?
 
Old 03-17-2022, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Southeast US
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I agree with everything except those of us who support DeSantis would rather he remain Governor. He is fighting so much for the well-being of us Floridians, and we’re not quite ready to share him with the rest of the country.
no, the FL Dems and their ilk are scared he'll get re-elected ... and then possibly run for POTUS.

Not the R's (and Independents) in FL. We all know the R's are thrilled with him as Governor and want him 4 more years.

Of course, if given the option of 4 years of DeSantis as Gov or 2 years + POTUS or 4 more years of Biden in 2024, I'd bet you'd choose the middle - 2 years.
 
Old 03-17-2022, 05:35 PM
 
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Again. I worked with Feds against child porn and human smuggling for 15 yrs. I’m a grandma of 6 and nobody protects kids more than I. Now for the final time. My rebuttal to this bill is not teachers trying to teach or coerce young kids at school about any sexual matter. My concern - from my experience- is that children need to be able to communicate any type of abuse to a trusted adult. This bill limits any conversation even if it’s started by the child with questions or concerns. Small children don’t know how to tell, because they have no idea how to explain it. How’s the teacher going to call the parent who might be the predator ?? You guys just can’t think outside the box.
Twist and twerk all you want - my conscience is clear. The bill has been signed and until it’s repealed or the courts come against it - it is what it is.
Now -why you feel you have a right to personally attack me. Well I guess that’s the repugs way. Stay on the subject. The bill and Disney.
The bill does NOT do that. Are you truly that obtuse???

It states that teachers cannot TEACH A CLASSROOM full of children about sex.

It does NOT state that teachers must NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER report sexual abuse.

There is nothing that states teachers must ignore all reports of sexual abuse made by children.

As far as the bolded, are you stating on record that teachers who suspect sexual abuse don't report it, don't tell the principal, don't tell the nurse ...

they simply CALL the parent and CONFRONT THEM??

If that's what you think you are LYING about your involvement with LE. That's not what happens.
 
Old 03-17-2022, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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no, the FL Dems and their ilk are scared he'll get re-elected ... and then possibly run for POTUS.

Not the R's (and Independents) in FL. We all know the R's are thrilled with him as Governor and want him 4 more years.

Of course, if given the option of 4 years of DeSantis as Gov or 2 years + POTUS or 4 more years of Biden in 2024, I'd bet you'd choose the middle - 2 years.
I guess there better be enough back up from his base, he is severing many big money bridges.
 
Old 03-17-2022, 05:40 PM
 
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The more I explain it from the child’s side, it’s just goes right past their understanding. They can’t see anything past their Rep agenda.
Because you haven't a clue what the law means.

Literally you have no understanding of it. At all.

It's quite stunning really, that a poster who has been so involved in a thread STILL has no idea what she is talking about.

Yet keeps on yammering.

This week has been eye-opening to me regarding the blind hatred and cognitive dissonance in liberals. Horribly stunning. They are just brainwashed, so desperately brainwashed and ignorant. And are happy in their anger. Truly excited and embracing hatred and anger and ignorance.

All I can do is SMH.
 
Old 03-17-2022, 05:41 PM
 
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Again. I worked with Feds against child porn and human smuggling for 15 yrs. I’m a grandma of 6 and nobody protects kids more than I.

It's good that you have your cover story set up.
 
Old 03-17-2022, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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The bill does NOT do that. Are you truly that obtuse???

It states that teachers cannot TEACH A CLASSROOM full of children about sex.

It does NOT state that teachers must NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER report sexual abuse.

There is nothing that states teachers must ignore all reports of sexual abuse made by children.

As far as the bolded, are you stating on record that teachers who suspect sexual abuse don't report it, don't tell the principal, don't tell the nurse ...

they simply CALL the parent and CONFRONT THEM??

If that's what you think you are LYING about your involvement with LE. That's not what happens.
GENERAL BILL by Judiciary Committee ; Education and Employment Committee ; Harding ; (CO-INTRODUCERS) Borrero ; Fernandez-Barquin ; Fine ; Latvala ; Maggard ; Roach ; Roth ; Snyder

Parental Rights in Education; Requires district school boards to adopt procedures that comport with certain provisions of law for notifying student's parent of specified information; requires such procedures to reinforce fundamental right of parents to make decisions regarding upbringing & control of their children; prohibits school district from adopting procedures or student support forms that prohibit school district personnel from notifying parent about specified information or that encourage student to withhold from parent such information; prohibits school district personnel from discouraging or prohibiting parental notification & involvement in critical decisions affecting student's mental, emotional, or physical well-being; prohibits classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in certain grade levels; requires school districts to notify parents of healthcare services; authorizes parent to bring action against school district to obtain declaratory judgment; provides for additional award of injunctive relief, damages, & reasonable attorney fees & court costs to certain parents.


prohibits classroom “discussion” about sexual orientation or gender identity in certain grade levels;

A child cannot explain - what they don’t understand. The teacher cannot engage - that’s the bottom line. Get your lawyer n see how far reaching such ambiguous wording can get a teacher in hot water.
Again I don’t need to prove my employment. Stay on subject.


https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bil...ab=BillHistory
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