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Old 03-14-2022, 11:48 AM
 
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Two things can be true at the same time, folks.

US politicians are liars, as we know. Putin and Kremlin officials are liars as well.

These labs in Ukraine were probably doing research on weaponizing pathogens, among other things. This is wrong, doesn't excuse Russia's invasion even one iota, but we as Americans need to hold our government accountable.
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Old 03-14-2022, 11:53 AM
 
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In real life, there are very few good and bad guys outside of propaganda.

In this story, the closest thing to good guys are the Ukrainians, but if we take a magnifying glass to them, we can find all sorts of unsavory and less than noble aspects - still they were invaded.

The closest thing to a bad guy is Russia. However, USA/NATO is close to that of Russia. We didn't bloody Ukraine, but we used Ukraine as a pawn in an international game of chess and we have plenty of blood on our hands from other conflicts.
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Old 03-14-2022, 12:11 PM
 
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Victoria Nuland testified in a hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that Ukraine has biological research facilities. If there were, or are, that would be a violation of the Biological Weapons Convention.



John Kirby, Pentagon Press Secretary, claims that is not true, and that there are or were no biological research facilities in Ukraine, that it's a "bunch of malarkey," (Biden's favorite phrase).


I believe her.
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Old 03-14-2022, 12:26 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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The US is trying to make Russia look bad right now, they are trying desperately to undermine anything Putin says.
It's really not that difficult, and no we're not desperate.
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Old 03-14-2022, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Two things can be true at the same time, folks.

US politicians are liars, as we know. Putin and Kremlin officials are liars as well.

These labs in Ukraine were probably doing research on weaponizing pathogens, among other things. This is wrong, doesn't excuse Russia's invasion even one iota, but we as Americans need to hold our government accountable.
The first casualty of war is the truth.
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Old 03-14-2022, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Two things can be true at the same time, folks.

US politicians are liars, as we know. Putin and Kremlin officials are liars as well.

These labs in Ukraine were probably doing research on weaponizing pathogens, among other things. This is wrong, doesn't excuse Russia's invasion even one iota, but we as Americans need to hold our government accountable.
Since that is never going to happen, I'd rather have a couple of large world powers that provide competition to the West, to keep them in check. If that means China and Russia are there to keep checks and balances in place for the Western swamp, so be it.

If that means George Soros is upset because China and Russia aren't the open borders melting pots that the elites want, so be it. I still think the West is the lesser of all the evils but without checks and balances you can't take anything for granted. Have to keep human nature in check.

These wealthy elites probably think they are keeping human nature in check, but somebody has to keep them in check also. They have this holier than thou sense of moral superiority that is obnoxious and they keep wanting to tell people how to live their lives. They can't be allowed to have unchecked power.
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Old 03-14-2022, 02:04 PM
 
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Victoria Nuland testified in a hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that Ukraine has biological research facilities. If there were, or are, that would be a violation of the Biological Weapons Convention.
biological research isn't a violation of anything.

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John Kirby, Pentagon Press Secretary, claims that is not true, and that there are or were no biological research facilities in Ukraine, that it's a "bunch of malarkey," (Biden's favorite phrase).
no, he did not. kirby said there were no bioweapons labs in ukraine.
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Old 03-14-2022, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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The US is trying to say those 'labs' in the Ukraine, are to help prevent disease, in other words, trying to counter what Russia is is saying, (that they are bio weapons labs)...


My point is...the US had lied repeatedly about these things in the past, why would they suddenly be honest today?


Would the US actually be truthful if the labs were indeed bio weapons labs? LOL I dont think so
The US government is still trying to cover up their support for the Chinese bio-weapon lab, that is now responsible for the deaths of over 6 million people. You certainly don't think they will tell the truth about supporting them in Ukraine, do you? I wonder how much Hunter Biden made off those deals?
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Old 03-14-2022, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I was reading about the US response to Russias claim of bio weapons labs in Ukraine and had to laugh at this...The US tries to say those labs are to help stop the spread of dangerous pathogens...but I just listened to a long speech about past medical experiments done by the US and the military...some were so horrific, they went to great lengths to ensure the public never heard about it...(until decades later anyway, when no one cares anymore. LOL), these were illegal experiments, human medical experimentation...on children, the elderly, etc, some without their knowledge...do a google search on the US syphilis research in the 1930s and 40s...(the US claimed they were treating the condition, but actually they were studying the effects and how long it took to progress, (even in children), and naturally they lied to patients. LOL


Overall...if the US did have bio weapons labs in Ukraine...does anyone actually believe they would be honest about it? LOL (the US has lied repeatedly about this exact thing over and over again in the past!) How credible does that make the US?
Why would the US go all the way to Ukraine to develop bio weapons, I believe Ukraine has one level 4 lab (highest level) to analyze pathogens in but they have 7 in the US. This sure sounds like propaganda just like Nazi's in Ukraine killing Russians. The US could develop bio weapons anywhere, sounds like Putin is getting desperate pulling out all the hyperbole.
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Old 03-14-2022, 10:57 PM
 
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Why would the US go all the way to Ukraine to develop bio weapons, I believe Ukraine has one level 4 lab (highest level) to analyze pathogens in but they have 7 in the US. This sure sounds like propaganda just like Nazi's in Ukraine killing Russians. The US could develop bio weapons anywhere, sounds like Putin is getting desperate pulling out all the hyperbole.
Wasn’t anthrax developed in fort Detrick MD?
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