Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
“ The Biden administration is expected to propose new rules this spring aimed at reversing the controversial Trump administration regulations governing the rights of those accused of sexual misconduct in colleges and schools.
Then-Education Secretary Betsy DeVos in 2017 set off a firestorm over new rules under Title IX that gave additional legal protections to accused offenders.
The Trump White House contended that colleges and universities “have often stacked the deck against the accused, failing to offer protections such as a presumption of innocence or adequate ability to rebut allegations.” But critics denounced the shift, saying the new policies could lead to courtroom-like hearings where accusers could be cross-examined over their credibility. Some observers said the changes would lead to scores of lawsuits.
President Joe Biden was critical of the regulations during his presidential campaign, saying that “survivors deserve to be treated with dignity and respect, and when they step forward they should be heard, not silenced,” and he promised he would put a “quick end” to it if he was elected.
Biden signed an executive order on March 8, 2021, instructing the education secretary to review existing regulations “as soon as practicable, and as appropriate and consistent with applicable law.”
In 2018, Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Connecticut, was one of many members of Congress to speak out against the regulations implemented by the Trump administration, saying that DeVos was “on the side of those accused rather than the victims.” DeLauro said she worried that her proposed rules would “remove policies that hold perpetrators accountable and help ensure schools are maintaining a safe environment for their students.”
Ok great. Believe victims. Cool cool cool. So what you're saying, Mr President, is that Tara Reade is telling the truth? Not saying she is but you are saying basically that alleged victims are the ones that should automatically be believed
How about believe both of them until you can get down to the truth?
ETA: And yes, that means believing both Tara Reade accusations AND Biden's denial. And then the "investigation" will reveal no rape kit, no witnesses, no corroborating evidence other than her word. So... what's changing?
How about believe both of them until you can get down to the truth?
ETA: And yes, that means believing both Tara Reade accusations AND Biden's denial. And then the "investigation" will reveal no rape kit, no witnesses, no corroborating evidence other than her word. So... what's changing?
In 2018, Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Connecticut, was one of many members of Congress to speak out against the regulations implemented by the Trump administration, saying that DeVos was “on the side of those accused rather than the victims.” DeLauro said she worried that her proposed rules would “remove policies that hold perpetrators accountable and help ensure schools are maintaining a safe environment for their students.”
How about believe both of them until you can get down to the truth?
ETA: And yes, that means believing both Tara Reade accusations AND Biden's denial. And then the "investigation" will reveal no rape kit, no witnesses, no corroborating evidence other than her word. So... what's changing?
You do realize that, in believing both, you simultaneously believe that each side is lying and guilty of what the other claims
Best practice IMO is to not instantly disbelieve someone who comes forward with an allegation. But before I believe someone, I’ll need to see some credible evidence supporting allegations. And even then, under our justice system and within our culture, the burden is still on the person/state making such allegations to prove them. An accused shouldn’t have to do a thing and should still have his or her presumption of innocence in tact.
Fundamentally, however, the Obama era guidelines did not work to where both were believed. No, things were pretty stacked against the accused. I know as I served on the university hearing boards that implemented this guidance.
While not college I witnessed a false report of "sexual misconduct" in middle school.
Trouble maker girl got into another fight in the hall. Asst Principal got called and escorted girl to office.
Girl says "he touched me" not realizing there were camera's in the hall that had every move on video.
So, we should fully believe Tara Reade, right? She shouldn't have to produce any evidence, right? If that's the case, then you're guilty Mr. President!
These college boards aren't the right people to dispense justice of any sort. LE is the only way anything close to justice can be delivered. The way it was working in the past was that when a guy was accused he would often be kept off campus to avoid the accuser from having to ever see him. This put the education and graduation of the accused at risk and some guys had to transfer (if possible) or drop out. They weren't allowed to speak or present evidence in many cases too. All this could happen with NO police report and even months after the fact with very few details ("because I was drunk" is often the excuse or the girl is convinced by others that she was "assulted" even if she didn't originally feel that way). It was a real clusterfk becasue each college, and the people involved, would bring their own predjudices and ideologies into it. I remember one feminist saying she didn't feel bad for a guys who was falsely accused becasue it taught them a lesson about women not being believed or some such nonsense. We can't allow people like that to have any say in the matter, yet those are the people at colleges who have ALL THE SAY.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
