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Old 03-16-2022, 04:43 PM
 
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I’m for energy. I don’t care if it’s clean, green or mean. Just like China and India ain’t buyin’ into that BS.
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Old 03-16-2022, 05:07 PM
 
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Please tell me how much is being spent now on the development of clean energy.

How much more do you want spent, and where is that money going to come from?

We are already much cleaner than Russia, China, & India. Why don't Libs pressure than to do more?
Which is all 100% true....

If Russia, China, and India would clean up their act...we wouldn't have to do one thing

...and the converse of that is...no matter what we do....it will not make one little bit of difference...as long as Russia, China, and India keep doing what they are doing

For us to do solar...I think it's a little over 20,000 square miles of solar panels...good luck plowing under 20,000 sq miles in this country....

Plus batteries for a house.... 8-10 batteries per house

there's about 140 million houses in the US......that's about 1 1/2 billion batteries

batteries last 5-10 years....so every 10 years you need another 1 1/2 billion batteries

....that's not the massive amount of batteries to run businesses, manufacturing, etc

our entire elec infrastructure would have to be rebuilt almost from scratch....

...convert everything to DC...so less resistance...and then step it back to AC where you use it
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Old 03-16-2022, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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It's quite doable... I don't really get the anti-wind mentality among the posters here... it's the cheapest form of energy to install and maintain and they froze in Texas because they didn't install the extra cold protection figuring it would never get that cold.

It's going to take some time to get wind and solar to the point where they become a dominant form of energy... it's a gradual process. It would help if we embraced nuclear but hey, whatever.
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Old 03-16-2022, 05:39 PM
 
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It's quite doable... I don't really get the anti-wind mentality among the posters here... it's the cheapest form of energy to install and maintain and they froze in Texas because they didn't install the extra cold protection figuring it would never get that cold.

It's going to take some time to get wind and solar to the point where they become a dominant form of energy... it's a gradual process. It would help if we embraced nuclear but hey, whatever.


Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades.





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Old 03-16-2022, 05:50 PM
 
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I saw a documentary on clean energy once, and they were having a clean energy conference that was supposed to be powered by solar & wind, but those didn't produce enough energy so they had to go rent multiple gas generators for power which they hid behind a building. That's just one conference on one day. Doesn't work like the greenies say and costs more when factoring everything in. We have a LONG way to go but the Biden admin and progressives are clueless.
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Old 03-16-2022, 06:14 PM
 
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Here is the documentary: Planet of the Humans - Michael Moore. If you have not seen this yet it is worth watching and shows the hypocrisy of politicians and some of those who push the green agenda to line their own pockets (i.e. Al Gore)



https://youtu.be/Zk11vI-7czE
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Old 03-16-2022, 06:18 PM
 
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I saw a documentary on clean energy once, and they were having a clean energy conference that was supposed to be powered by solar & wind, but those didn't produce enough energy so they had to go rent multiple gas generators for power which they hid behind a building. That's just one conference on one day. Doesn't work like the greenies say and costs more when factoring everything in. We have a LONG way to go but the Biden admin and progressives are clueless.
One of the first trains raced a horse drawn carriage and the train broke down. I'm thinking you would have been one of those that insisted horses would be the main mean of transportation forever?
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Old 03-16-2022, 06:38 PM
 
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It would reduce dependence on Russia and the Saudis.
Solar, wind, evs....bring it on...
If you like the inflation you are seeing now, bring it on.
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Old 03-16-2022, 06:51 PM
 
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One of the best sources of renewable energy (and most efficient source) is HYDROPOWER.
Yet the "Greenies" have opposed new dams and sought the demolition of older dams.
In the mountainous areas, where high head dams make sense, we certainly could double if not triple our power generating capacity.

POWER GENERATION EFFICIENCY
OIL: 38%
COAL: 45%
NUCLEAR: 37%
Natural Gas: 57%
Hydroelectric: 90%

U.S. Utility scale electricity generation by source
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3
Total : 4,116 Billion kWh (4.1x10^15 Wh)
Fossil Fuels : 2,504 ; 60.8% of total
. . . Natural gas : 1,575; 38.3 %
. . . Coal : 899 ; 21.8%
. . . Petroleum : 19 ; 0.5 %
Nuclear : 778 ; 18.9%
Renewables : 826 ; 20.1%
. . . Wind : 380 ; 9.2%
. . . Hydropower : 260; 6.3% (260x10^12 Wh)
. . . Solar : 115; 2.8%
. . . Biomass : 55 : 1.3%
. . . Geothermal : 16; 0.4%

The Three Gorges Dam, in CHINA, has been the world's largest power station in terms of installed capacity (22,500 MW) since 2012. The dam generates an average 95±20 TWh of electricity per year.
95x10^12 Wh.

In contrast, the Grand Coulee Dam on Washington's Columbia River is the largest power plant by generation capacity in the United States, and the seventh-largest hydropower plant in the world. It typically supplies about 21 million megawatthours of electricity annually.
21x10^12 Wh.

TVA generated 15.84 billion kilowatt-hours with 29 small, high head dams in the Smoky mountains.
15.84 x 10^12 Wh.

We might assume that a TVA-like project for the Susquehanna River and its branches, could meet or exceed the output of the TVA.
Let's create a non-government authority to oversee the construction of dams to control flooding, improve navigation, and create cheap electric power in the Susquehanna Valley basin. And while we're at it, make it navigable from the Chesapeake Bay to upstate New York and perhaps to the Great Lakes.
//www.city-data.com/forum/great-debates/559876-dam-susquehanna-dammit.html
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Old 03-16-2022, 07:00 PM
 
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Solar, wind, evs....bring it on...
if you want to destroy the earth....
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