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So what right do Russian aircraft have to enter Ukranian airspace without permission?
The same right the US had when it preemptively invaded countries for the express purpose of using them as platforms to gain control of eastern Russia in the future.
The same right the US had when the US repeatedly violated Russian airspace with reconnaissance aircraft.
You know, like when Gary Francis Powers got shot down violating Russian airspace.
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It is cowardice on the part of NATO, The US and the world to allow Russia to do as they like simply because Russia threatens to launch a war - one that they would clearly lose!
No, the US would be the biggest loser.
Russia only needs 2 to 3 well-placed 400 kt to 750 kt warheads detonated at an altitude of 85 miles to cause the death of more than 300 Million Americans.
The US could nuke away and at the end of the day:
US: 10-30 Million survivors
Russia: 100 Million survivors
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Russia has no allies. Call their bluff and put an end the Russian bullying, threats and war crimes.
Do you have any examples showing Russian troops with confiscated US weapons. That would be very concerning if true.
sigh.....
When have we not?
Afghanistan "The weapons and military equipment left behind by the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, including through the collapse of the Afghan army, are now largely in the hands of the Taliban – and likely other militant groups as well."
Iraq "A little more than four years after the United States withdrew all its military forces from Iraq, and not quite two years after a smaller number of American troops began returning to the country to help fight the Islamic State, the open sale of such an M4 was part of Iraq’s day-to-day arms-trafficking routine.
Today the Pentagon has only a partial idea of how many weapons it issued, much less where these weapons are. Meanwhile, the effectively bottomless abundance of black-market weapons from American sources is one reason Iraq will not recover from its post-invasion woes anytime soon."
We should give the Ukrainians enough equipment to drive the Russians back to Moscow. The military has gone to killing the general population. They are finding out that the right equipment can destroy a mobile attack. Putin's boys are having a rough time.
A no-fly zone would need to be into Belarus and Russia. They use same types of air to ground as we have. Give the Ukrainians all those surplus Migs. I am sure that there are enough Russian weapons in the world to be able to resupply the Ukrainians for years.
We should give the Ukrainians enough equipment to drive the Russians back to Moscow. The military has gone to killing the general population. They are finding out that the right equipment can destroy a mobile attack. Putin's boys are having a rough time.
A no-fly zone would need to be into Belarus and Russia. They use same types of air to ground as we have. Give the Ukrainians all those surplus Migs. I am sure that there are enough Russian weapons in the world to be able to resupply the Ukrainians for years.
If Russia or China supplies Iraq and Afghanistan during our invasions to kill American troops, wouldn't that be consider an act of war from our part? I just bring it up because of double sets of rules.
Reminds me of fights in school. You have your "friends" to push you to fight and gives you a knife and keep tossing you weapons from the side to continue the fight but they won't jump in themselves and fight for you until the grown ups steps in and breaks the fight.
Lend, lease a way to avoid direct contact. There are enough Russian, Chinese and American weapons around the world to keep this thing going on for years.
Who supplied the Vietnamese?
Who supplied the North Koreans and supplied "volunteers "?
If Russia or China supplies Iraq and Afghanistan during our invasions to kill American troops, wouldn't that be consider an act of war from our part? I just bring it up because of double sets of rules.
Reminds me of fights in school. You have your "friends" to push you to fight and gives you a knife and keep tossing you weapons from the side to continue the fight but they won't jump in themselves and fight for you until the grown ups steps in and breaks the fight.
It wasn't in Vietnam and even with the army crossing into North Korea and it didn't happen there
Afghanistan "The weapons and military equipment left behind by the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, including through the collapse of the Afghan army, are now largely in the hands of the Taliban – and likely other militant groups as well."
Iraq "A little more than four years after the United States withdrew all its military forces from Iraq, and not quite two years after a smaller number of American troops began returning to the country to help fight the Islamic State, the open sale of such an M4 was part of Iraq’s day-to-day arms-trafficking routine.
Today the Pentagon has only a partial idea of how many weapons it issued, much less where these weapons are. Meanwhile, the effectively bottomless abundance of black-market weapons from American sources is one reason Iraq will not recover from its post-invasion woes anytime soon."
Because that's how you get to WWIII in a nanosecond.
The first Russian aircraft that gets shot out of the air, boom, game on.
Kowtowing to that scenario means Putin wins.
No matter what other forms of assistance we give Ukraine.
Why do we keep telegraphing what we WON'T do?!
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