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Zalenskyy mentioned he would consider committing to not becoming a member of NATO which is what Russia wanted from day one, and warned about. But the US government and all its war mongers in congress are pushing for war escalation rather than encouraging the peaceful solution that Zelenskyy mentioned. Instead, we're shipping massive war machines. Follow the money.
No-fly zone by NATO? Sure, if you want nukes next. How ridiculous.
Zalenskyy mentioned he would consider committing to not becoming a member of NATO which is what Russia wanted from day one, and warned about. But the US government and all its war mongers in congress are pushing for war escalation rather than encouraging the peaceful solution that Zelenskyy mentioned. Instead, we're shipping massive war machines. Follow the money.
No-fly zone by NATO? Sure, if you want nukes next. How ridiculous.
Biden's recently signed bill....$13 billion to Ukraine , about $780 billion to the Pentagon
And then, after that, giving Ukraine a few more hundred million.
War is a mightly profitable business .... for some.
All that equipment we left in Afghanistan....we have to replace
All that equipment we're shipping to Ukraine....we have to replace
Where Biden screwed the pooch was sitting on the sideline while Russia built up troops. They should have been arming them THEN. Now it's a bit too late. I hope not.
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Originally Posted by Star691
Even without a NFZ in place, there are other scenarios which could also escalate the war. Air strikes on Russian positions inside of Ukraine from neighboring countries after a WMD attack would be one of them.
It's not too late. When Iraq left its territory and crossed the border into Kuwait, was it too late then?... No, it wasn't. Bush #1 put a coalition together, ganged up and stuffed Hussein back into his own country.
And those were "brown people", weren't they? All these cowards who go around saying "it's just because the people in Ukraine are white", simply don't know much about history, do they?
America doesn't need NATO's permission to take action. If they want to join in that would be wonderful, but we don't need them. If they're too timid and want to sit on the sidelines, that's fine. We've got friends who will help.
Did Bill Clinton waffle when it came time to take action against an aggressive dictator in Serbia? ..... Nope. We were there and it was a darn good thing, too. Haven't heard a peep out of those areas in years.
This whole conflict is being caused by the lackluster potato head in The White House. He needs to stomp this thing into the mud before it gets out of control and Ukraine becomes a landlocked country without access to the Black Sea.
LOL! I read "WW3" in about every third post.
Russia obviously cannot even handle a small country of 44M people and some people believe they could start a war with the rest of the world?!
Some people even believe China and India (!) would come to Russia's defense. Ridiculous.
We could also not handle a small country of 38 million ( Afghanistan).
After 20 years we returned back with our tails tucked between our legs.
Where Biden screwed the pooch was sitting on the sideline while Russia built up troops. They should have been arming them THEN. Now it's a bit too late. I hope not.
A. Ukraine didn’t think much of the Russians having troops at the border until the actual invasion.
B. Right wing media (Fox News, NewsMax, OANN) didn’t bother to report the build up either, as in their view nothing wrong for Russia to have its troops on its own border.
But I do notice most to all the Republican Senators take this position that you posted that Biden should have been more aggressive before the invasion. If Russia had bluffed, Biden would be derided by the right wing for being a war mongerer.
We could also not handle a small country of 38 million ( Afghanistan).
After 20 years we returned back with our tails tucked between our legs.
Interesting you would make that claim.
There had been no losses at all for months before the withdrawal. If we were there today, all would be peaceful.
Also, you want people to believe the US was invading a country and bombing civilians like Russia is doing. You are willing to sacrifice truth and common sense for the sake of making yourself feel good.
You are far, far removed from the truth and from what is happening in Ukraine.
Say all you want in a demonstration. Things are different in actual combat. F-35 might be good on paper, but it hasn't been tested in real combat.
Absolute, total, made-up-in-your basement nonsense!
Its first US combat mission was in 2019 in Iraq; in June, 2021 the UK used the F-35 in combat missions against ISIS.
Naysayers abound in this country. When the capitol was invaded in January, did ANY legislator rise to the occasion and confront them head on? No! They hid like frightened animals in special bunkers and later recounted how traumatized they were by the event.
If Ukrainians behaved like American legislators, I would be very happy to see them thrown under the bus. But they didn't. From the president on down to the ordinary citizen who just asked for a rifle, they stood and fought. They are fighting today, as our legislator debates issues like a lynching bill and daylight savings time, taking a break only to give Zelesnky a standing ovation. Then the legislators, their duty complete, sat back down to debate.
Off The Wall, repeated nonsense appears over and over in the various threads about the war. WW3! Not proven! Not our battle! World's Policeman! Illegal! Nuclear!
I'd hate to find myself being assaulted when one of those clowns was the only help available.
There are no fly zones all over the world. Russia has one. See how far into Russian airspace you would get in an F-15, or any other unidentified, unwanted aircraft.
In fact all nations who have a method of guarding their airspace do so, and some do so aggressively.
There are many places right here in The US where no one can fly without permission.
So what right do Russian aircraft have to enter Ukranian airspace without permission? They don't. They enter Ukranian airspace because Ukraine has no way to repel them.
It is cowardice on the part of NATO, The US and the world to allow Russia to do as they like simply because Russia threatens to launch a war - one that they would clearly lose!
All this talk of WW3 is pure nonsense. Russia has no allies. Call their bluff and put an end the Russian bullying, threats and war crimes.
You?
Wow you're wrong. I'll read through the thread a bit and see if others have pointed out the things I noticed before adding to that. But wow. You're wrong.
You mean the US was not firing on Russian jets during the Korean War??? I don't remember that starting a nuclear war.
Maybe you can answer this. Why do people act like whatever happens now must be just like something in the past? This isn't a video game. This is the real world. Things vary over time and no two events play out the same - even things that are supposed to, such as theater performances and whatnot. If something like a play can't be reproduced exactly even when people are trying, why do you expect that something as complex as geopolitical tension will look like anything we've seen before?
It's just weird. If you can explain it, I'd love to understand. Thanks.
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) would come to Russia's defense. Ridiculous.
