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Old 03-19-2022, 09:10 AM
 
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China will not become involved because it's not in it's own interest to become involved.

China has already seen the sanctions and economic hardship imposed on Russia, and although Putin and Russia are allies, China will always put it's national interest and economic prosperity first.
The US would not be in any position to impose similar sanctions on China, no matter what it did.
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Old 03-19-2022, 11:08 AM
 
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The US would not be in any position to impose similar sanctions on China, no matter what it did.
There are plenty of sanctions the US and West could apply to China.

As for cheap manufacturing, it is already moving away from China to places such Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, India and even African countries and sanctions would just accelerate the process.

The Chinese are even known to be worried about increasing de -industrialisation and this may be coupled with increasing automation, and the movement of manufacturing back to western and other consumer markets, thereby cutting needless travel and pollution, whilst helping the environment.

The Exodus Of Chinese Manufacturing: Shutting Down ‘The World’s Factory’ - Forbes (2020)
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Old 03-19-2022, 11:13 AM
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US NATO would wipe the floor against China-Russia militarily
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Old 03-19-2022, 11:39 AM
 
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With China using all of its accumulated wealth to sanction all exports from being sent to the US without delay, ending all trade with western countries

Pouring that Reserve directly into a joint war with Russia aimed directly at the US and Western Europe

And lastly China and Russia cutting a deal with Venezuela forbidding them to export energy to any western countries to isolate the west from all energy resources except Canada and US
The west is still militarily superior to Russia and China. NATO has superior technology, better equipped militaries. This would be a massive world war. Not only would this be Europe, North America and Australia vs China and Russia, we would also have allies in the East as well. Japan, Taiwan, South Korea as part of our alliance.

Could the enemy try to cut off the west from oil? They could. However the US would likely invade Venezuela quickly, the Middle East oil producers would likely align with the west (except Iran) Iran would also likely be invaded by western and Sunni forces in short order.

The scenario being described is a recipe for a very nasty world war equivalent in its horror to the last war. If it went nuclear it would be far worse. Still the Western and pacific rim allies would likely prevail over the hated tyrants in Russia and China. Their only allies would likely be North Korea, Iran, Syria and Venezuela. Venezuela and Iran would fall quickly, Venezuela would be invaded by the US, Iran is hated by its neighbors who would align with us.

Still this war would be horrific, Russia would have to be invaded, maybe China too. Hundreds of millions around the world would lose their lives. This scenario is the very reason Putin’s behavior is so concerning. If Putin invades NATO this scenario actually becomes a serious possibility. It’s been 80 years since the last world war? Is another one brewing? Let’s hope not. Projecting strength now as a deterrent will decrease the risk of this scenario will make it less likely.
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Old 03-19-2022, 11:39 AM
 
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There are plenty of sanctions the US and West could apply to China.

As for cheap manufacturing, it is already moving away from China to places such Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, India and even African countries and sanctions would just accelerate the process.

The Chinese are even known to be worried about increasing de -industrialisation and this may be coupled with increasing automation, and the movement of manufacturing back to western and other consumer markets, thereby cutting needless travel and pollution, whilst helping the environment.

The Exodus Of Chinese Manufacturing: Shutting Down ‘The World’s Factory’ - Forbes (2020)
those manufacture are really low + some mid skills one such as textile. even with raising wage in china, manufacture still stay in china such as foxconn, unicorp etc etc. The reason is because mid-high tech manufacture need good supply chain, skilled labor(china been doing manufacture for so long, it has tons skilled labor at this point), good infrastructure(india,etc etc lack infrastructure base compare to china, not jus transportation but energy etc etc). so its not just about cheap labor for many of mid-high tech factories. furthermore, china become more consumer base economy, so company want to stay in china to tap their consumer spending. GM for example sold more vehicle in china than they sold in US. 25% apple revenue coming from china.
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Old 03-19-2022, 11:46 AM
 
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Projecting strength now as a deterrent will decrease the risk of this scenario will make it less likely.
you can't strong arm in every situation, when you point a gun at somebody, that somebody gonna arm themself too. thus cycle of arm race. have to found a balance between competition and cooperation.
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Old 03-19-2022, 11:56 AM
 
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Ultimately, only the cockroaches would win after that war.
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Old 03-19-2022, 12:00 PM
 
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I think sponge dropped out of the conversation again.
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Old 03-19-2022, 12:09 PM
 
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Look at this from China's point of view.

If China allies with Russia against NATO, what could they get if they win? After a decades long war, they get Taiwan, unfettered fishing rights, and a destroyed world economy.

If China allies with NATO against Russia, it would be over quickly. China could expect to get most of Eastern Siberia with those vast natural resources and the coastal fishing rights. Plus the world economy would still be operating.
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Old 03-19-2022, 12:16 PM
 
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Look at this from China's point of view.

If China allies with Russia against NATO, what could they get if they win? After a decades long war, they get Taiwan, unfettered fishing rights, and a destroyed world economy.

If China allies with NATO against Russia, it would be over quickly. China could expect to get most of Eastern Siberia with those vast natural resources and the coastal fishing rights. Plus the world economy would still be operating.
Yeah it makes way more sense for China to turn on Russia.
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