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Old 03-19-2022, 09:15 AM
 
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Are you saying, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"?
Adam Smith "was there" first so to speak:

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”The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities."
~Adam Smith (1776)

“A man must always live by his work, and his wages must at least be sufficient to maintain him. They must even upon most occasions be somewhat more; otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family, and the race of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation.”

“No society can flourish of which the greater part is poor and miserable”

~Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations
A century later:

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."
~Karl Marx (1875)
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Old 03-19-2022, 09:20 AM
 
Location: az
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What a "Social Justice/Racial Equity Workgroup?

It's basically window dressing for the the government and private companies. However, it can be nice paycheck for those hired. But it's a balancing act. You need to pretend to be doing something while at the same time making sure you don't upset your employer.
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Old 03-19-2022, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The Arizona Department of Housing has the 'AZ Balance of State Continuum of Care' (AZBOSCOC), which has a "Social Justice/Racial Equity Workgroup".

What a "Social Justice/Racial Equity Workgroup"?

I've done multiple searches but I can't seem to find much info on it.
The McKinney Homeless Assistance Act came into being in 1986 to help fund homeless shelter programs. This act created state Continuum of Care initiatives primarily to develop methodologies to count homeless.

https://housing.az.gov/balance-state...um-care-boscoc

Looks like a CE qualified training workshop to address HUD’s position on housing for those with criminal records was rescheduled. It was scheduled to be presented by a private not for profit, tax exempt group.

If you are seriously curious about a specific workshop, why not call them, instead of asking a forum of anonymous posters to speculate?

https://housing.az.gov/balance-state...um-care-boscoc
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Old 03-19-2022, 10:05 AM
 
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Feel free to house them in your own home then. As if big government San Francisco had a solution to homelessness.

They're persona non grata on MY private property as it is my right to welcome or not welcome whomever I wish.
Not me. I’m happy the government is taking on that role. Supporting local nonprofits and religious organizations by providing training, best practices and check that they follow health and safety laws and are fiscally responsible.
I’m certainly not qualified and happy my taxes are going to these programs.
Not interested in taking the homeless problem as a family project.

But if you get rid of the government programs it will be up to each individual to do what they can. I mean you can’t exactly request that they leave the neighborhood and expect it to happen.
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Old 03-19-2022, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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Feel free to house them in your own home then. As if big government San Francisco had a solution to homelessness.

They're persona non grata on MY private property as it is my right to welcome or not welcome whomever I wish.

As of now!
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Old 03-19-2022, 10:15 AM
 
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Not me. I’m happy the government is taking on that role. Supporting local nonprofits and religious organizations by providing training, best practices and check that they follow health and safety laws and are fiscally responsible.
I’m certainly not qualified and happy my taxes are going to these programs.
Not interested in taking the homeless problem as a family project.

But if you get rid of the government programs it will be up to each individual to do what they can. I mean you can’t exactly request that they leave the neighborhood and expect it to happen.
So you're happy to spend other people's money on the homelessness problem but you won't put your own money where your mouth is. Got it.

Homelessness is not my problem. At least I have the balls to say this openly.

And for the record, yes, that's exactly how it works. Ask them to leave. Give them a one-way ticket to San Francisco. You might be happy to waste your taxpayer dollars on feel-good "solutions" that don't work, but keep MY taxpayer dollars out of it.
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Old 03-19-2022, 10:24 AM
 
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Adam Smith "was there" first so to speak:

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”The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities."
~Adam Smith (1776)

“A man must always live by his work, and his wages must at least be sufficient to maintain him. They must even upon most occasions be somewhat more; otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family, and the race of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation.”

“No society can flourish of which the greater part is poor and miserable”

~Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations


A century later:

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."
~Karl Marx (1875)
Your argument doesn't fly.

In Adam Smith's day, the purpose of government was to protect individual life, liberty. The US Constitution prohibits the government frome taking our life, liberty and property without due process or just compensation. Helping the homeless is taking for public use.
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Old 03-19-2022, 10:31 AM
 
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The McKinney Homeless Assistance Act came into being in 1986 to help fund homeless shelter programs. This act created state Continuum of Care initiatives primarily to develop methodologies to count homeless.

https://housing.az.gov/balance-state...um-care-boscoc

Looks like a CE qualified training workshop to address HUD’s position on housing for those with criminal records was rescheduled. It was scheduled to be presented by a private not for profit, tax exempt group.

If you are seriously curious about a specific workshop, why not call them, instead of asking a forum of anonymous posters to speculate?

https://housing.az.gov/balance-state...um-care-boscoc
I emailed all of the members of the working group for more information. I asked them how they define 'Social Justice', 'Equity' and 'Racial Equity' And what the tenets were for those concepts.

They have not responded.
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Old 03-19-2022, 10:33 AM
 
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Your argument doesn't fly.

In Adam Smith's day, the purpose of government was to protect individual life, liberty. The US Constitution prohibits the government frome taking our life, liberty and property without due process or just compensation. Helping the homeless is taking for public use.
Adam Smith is rolling in his grave at the perversion of his ideas period full stop.
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Old 03-19-2022, 10:33 AM
 
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Not me. I’m happy the government is taking on that role. Supporting local nonprofits and religious organizations by providing training, best practices and check that they follow health and safety laws and are fiscally responsible.
I’m certainly not qualified and happy my taxes are going to these programs.
Not interested in taking the homeless problem as a family project.

But if you get rid of the government programs it will be up to each individual to do what they can. I mean you can’t exactly request that they leave the neighborhood and expect it to happen.
It's not the government's place to decide for me which charities to contribute to.
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