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That’s how business works. Are you saying the government has taken over the means of production?
I’m saying the two entities are working so closely together that you cant tell where the agenda of one starts and the agenda of the other stops. You might call it a conspiracy against the consumer/taxpayer.
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I’m saying the two entities are working so closely together that you cant tell where the agenda of one starts and the agenda of the other stops. You might call it a conspiracy against the taxpayer.
If the decision has been made to convert, the government has three choices - Try to stop private companies from making their own business decisions, promoting the inevitable, or ignoring the situation completely. Biden sees an enormous number of new jobs in technical fields as a result of changing from a reliance on foreign fossil fuels to domestically-produced electricity from renewable sources. I fail to follow you with “conspiracy against the taxpayer.” A vehicle that costs less to operate and has fewer moving parts to eventually fail looks more like a long term benefit for everyone who drives.
While I'm pro EV, the Biden Admin and Congress has been singling to the auto manufacturers that they either switch to EV or stop making cars. The left has been saying for a long time that they are going to push to get rid of fossil fuels and ICE cars. So if the auto manufacturers want to survive, that have no choice other than to switch their manufacturing to EV.
As a pro EV person, I don't like how the government is doing this.
While I'm pro EV, the Biden Admin and Congress has been singling to the auto manufacturers that they either switch to EV or stop making cars. The left has been saying for a long time that they are going to push to get rid of fossil fuels and ICE cars. So if the auto manufacturers want to survive, that have no choice other than to switch their manufacturing to EV.
As a pro EV person, I don't like how the government is doing this.
Auto manufacturers worldwide began the shift to EVs several years ago. The move incorporates the forecasted shift to clean power generation using wind, solar, hydro, fuel cells, nuclear and other sources. Aside from many vehicles shifting to electric there is a push to get homes to switch to electric heat pumps, install solar, as well as small generation fuel cells for businesses. Many fossil fuel companies, such as BP, began the transition several years ago as well. I see this as a continuum. Whether an EV with batteries will be the next 100-year personal transportation technology remains to be seen. I would not be surprised if the electric motor isn't paired with another portable/stored power source in the future. As far as ICE, there will likely be a continued need for them for at least the next 30 years.
Any unreasonable overreach of the government will backfire. Incentives are good but onerous regulatory action that hits the average consumer will work against the goals the government is trying to accomplish. For example, we are seeing the effects of supply constraint on gas prices and consumers will not tolerate longterm prices if they are largely the result of a change in government regulation. Even many of those who support environmental goals will vote the responsible party out of office.
Mining for materials in ICE cars is also very destructive. Sorry ICE lovers, EV's are overall much better for the environment, it's undeniable. For starters, they are 4 times more efficient with energy use and they don't burn poisonous gasses in your garage and neighborhood. The arguments made for ICE vehicles are woefully weak.
New ICE vehicles will not be available for sale in 15 years....enjoy the poisonous pollution you are inflicting on your kids and neighbors while you can ICE men.
To not address the current environmental impacts, even if smaller than ICE vehicles, is to be completely ignorant. Step off that high pedestal and look at the facts.
Yes, over the lifecycle of an ICE vehicle, it will impact the environment more than an EV. "Once on the road, even when charged exclusively from a coal-fired grid, EVs contribute to 4.1 million grams (carbon emissions)per year, compared to 4.6 million grams for gasoline cars" So, over time, that .5 million grams from the ICE vehicle adds up.
Just to bring an EV to the dealership floor though, has a larger environmental impact than the ICE vehicle. And depending on where one is, takes thousands of miles to make that up.
"EVs generally have higher emissions from materials sourcing and manufacturing than gasoline cars. The average electric car accounts for 8.1 million grams of carbon emissions before it reaches the first customer, compared to 5.5 million grams for the average gasoline car."
All these facts are with todays current technologies, materials sourcing, energy generation, and with almost 9% global EV saturation. Sure, eventually we will get to the point of recycling batteries so hopefully it reduces the amount of raw materials needed, and we will find cleaner ways of producing energy. We aren't there yet. If over the course of the next year, global EV saturation leapt up to 50% , it would take decades to recoup the environmental impact, with todays current technology.
"the full benefits of EVs will be realized only after the electricity sources become renewable, and it might take several decades for that to happen."
Yes, EV's are definitely the future, although currently, they aren't as "green" as some make them out to be. Yet. Are they a step in the right direction ? Absolutely. There are still many hurdles, both politically (raw material sourcing), and technologically.
LOL, That's a good one! The largest Lithium deposit in the US is in Nevada. Lithium of America (LAC) has been trying to break ground on the Thacker pass deposit for years, between the enviro nuts, native tribes, and miles of government red tape it may never even start.
Want to mine Nickel? You better get started on the paper work now, maybe in a decade or two you might get to stick a shovel in the ground.
One REM mine is operational, and in 2022, a U.S. based REM refinery is to open:
That’s how business works. Are you saying the government has taken over the means of production?
Completely?
No.
But it's kind of hard to say that they don't have a lot of control through regulation, legislation and furthering a narrative through the power of government and a complicit Media.
Government steers businesses the way they want them to go and has absolutely no qualms about picking winners and losers.
There's only hop, skip and a jump away from that to actually controlling the means of production.
If the decision has been made to convert, the government has three choices - Try to stop private companies from making their own business decisions, promoting the inevitable, or ignoring the situation completely. Biden sees an enormous number of new jobs in technical fields as a result of changing from a reliance on foreign fossil fuels to domestically-produced electricity from renewable sources. I fail to follow you with “conspiracy against the taxpayer.” A vehicle that costs less to operate and has fewer moving parts to eventually fail looks more like a long term benefit for everyone who drives.
A fine hypothesis.....but it leaves out one important factor...
The technology just isn't there yet for either the batteries or the amount of clean electricity needed to power a nation full of EVs.
And no amount of government prodding and wishing on environmental stars is going to magically force the technology into reality.
But it's kind of hard to say that they don't have a lot of control through regulation, legislation and furthering a narrative through the power of government and a complicit Media.
Government steers businesses the way they want them to go and has absolutely no qualms about picking winners and losers.
Contact your representative with your concerns. Congress drives the train, soon to be an electric train.
A fine hypothesis.....but it leaves out one important factor...
The technology just isn't there yet for either the batteries or the amount of clean electricity needed to power a nation full of EVs.
And no amount of government prodding and wishing on environmental stars is going to magically force the technology into reality.
Quite true, but nobody intends to outlaw ICEs and demand everyone go to EVs immediately. Everything will be accomplished over a period of 10-20 years, including a network of wind farms, solar farms, and recharging stations across the country. This is what parking lots will probably look like in a very few years, with a series of solar trees providing a recharge in the shade.
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