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Old 04-01-2022, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Metro Seattle Area - Born and Raised
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You do realize that NATO and other countries are funding the war effort for the Ukraine right? At least 25 countries have shipped weapons to the Ukraine. The US has already provided about a billion dollars of aid, and has another 13 billion coming. Without the NATO and world wide help, the Ukraine would be toast.
Trust me, all the weapon systems that the European NATO members are giving out WILL be back filled with new and updated weapon systems from the US.

Poland would have came out on top if they gave the Ukrainians their 30 plus year old MiG-29s fighter jets from the late 1980s to the early 1990s…. For a replacement fleet of 2022 manufactured F-16 fighters with all the current updated electronics…. For free. That’s basically trading in your tired 1992 Buick for a 2022 Cadillac, as a equal trade!!

The Netherlands want to send their late 1990s Patriot Air Defense system to the Ukraine…. As long as the US sends them a new and fully updated 2022 Patriot Missile system.

So, in the end, it will be the American tax payer picking up the tab again since the Europeans, both West and East have “Alligator arms” when it’s time for them to reach for their wallets.
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Old 04-01-2022, 09:51 AM
 
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Trust me, all the weapon systems that the European NATO members are giving out WILL be back filled with new and updated weapon systems from the US.

Poland would have came out on top if they gave the Ukrainians their 30 plus year old MiG-29s fighter jets from the late 1980s to the early 1990s…. For a replacement fleet of 2022 manufactured F-16 fighters with all the current updated electronics…. For free. That’s basically trading in your tired 1992 Buick for a 2022 Cadillac, as a equal trade!!

The Netherlands want to send their late 1990s Patriot Air Defense system to the Ukraine…. As long as the US sends them a new and fully updated 2022 Patriot Missile system.

So, in the end, it will be the American tax payer picking up the tab again since the Europeans, both West and East have “Alligator arms” when it’s time for them to reach for their wallets.



Which is like giving Ukraine a stick too short since MiG-29s will easily be blown out of the sky by modern Russian SAMs. Russia will also likely try out their hyper sonic missile on obsolete patriot locations. So looks like a great plan for cleaning out the garage , but at the cost of Ukraine as usual. if Ukraine manages not to shoot itself in the foot , someone else will hit them in the head.





Even if Ukraine manages to form any kind of nationalism , which will be just fine against Russians , and Poles( when the Western press decides to call them Nazis again), They will be opened up for mass migration just like the Baltic states were.



Remember when Western media was relentlessly attacking Poland not not being globalist stooges and opening their door to mass migration?




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB2XRK_Xb6g


https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/12/...the-westerner/


https://www.businessworld.ie/world-n...ny-560824.html
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Old 04-08-2022, 09:07 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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So, in the end, it will be the American tax payer picking up the tab again since the Europeans, both West and East have “Alligator arms” when it’s time for them to reach for their wallets.
As is always the case with each war fought since WW II. The U.S. provides the money and security blanket so Europe can hector us about being decadent and unsophisticated.
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Old 04-08-2022, 09:13 AM
 
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After they tear up every city kitty the country won't be worth anything. Odd to want to take something and then tear it up.
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Old 04-08-2022, 09:22 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Default putin and biden playing the same cards.

An interesting question what will putin do since he is losing????

SAME THING BIDEN ADMIN IS DOING NOW THAT THEY ARE LOOSING.....

Putin and biden are in the same position and are playing the same cards.

What a coincidence!

Too may incidents of obama biden doing Putin's chores. 20% of our uranium supply??????

A case for collusion between Biden and Putin is crystal clear.

Dems, as a rule always accuse their political enemies of what they rae later found guilty of doing.

Trump was colluding with Russia???? Really is was obama, hrc, biden colluding, read that as partnering with Putin.
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Old 04-08-2022, 09:37 AM
 
Location: USA
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What will Russia do? Probably the same thing the USA does when it realizes it is losing a war: deny it and stay the course.
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Old 04-08-2022, 10:01 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Today has Ukraine pushing back and rolling Russian troops back. Its VERY apparent Russia is losing. Watch Borodyanka for example. Its one of the Russian staging areas, and its now under assault. If Ukraine takes it, they will cut the logistics for the entire NW region. And they've been hammering the Russian logistics non stop.

Ukraine now has more anti tank weapons, then Russia has vehicles in theatre. Notice-I didn't say "that Russia has tanks". Then Russia has vehicles TOTAL.

And while our last generation tech has been destroying Russian vehicles, we are now seeing some current generation anti-aircraft missiles show up. The Starstreak surface to air has now arrived, and were going to see Russian air loses get a tad nuts I think. Its a UTTERLY terrifying weapon if you are in a aircraft.

The bottom line? Russia now trying to claim they never were going to take Kyiv, and its all a distraction. They really are all about taking Crimea and the breakaway areas.....Yeah. No. Russia is losing.

So the question I have is if Russia is losing, whats their next step?

Here is my guess. Putin will be removed. Or Russia is going to keep pushing to take land in the south of Ukraine. And keeping pressure up north. Ukraine will keep hammering their logistics, and then begin to make assaults. Russia is going to take even harder losses.

Eventually Russia will sue for peace, and back out. Or more likely try and keep a land bridge to Crimea. Ukraine will agree to not enter NATO.

If Russia refuses to negotiate for too long Ukraine WILL push Russia back. The only way that changes is if their military starts to act competent. If Ukraine is forced to fight Russia til they are pushed back, peace will occur in the end....but with devastating consequences for Russia. Ukraine will demand damages.

Either way though? Russia is in trouble. They've made the entire world look at them as a pariah. The Russian people will unnecessarily suffer, and they have a neighbor that 100% hates their guts.

I cant even begin to state how much of a military disaster this is for Russia. Russia is not taking Ukraine. They did not bring nearly enough military given that Ukraine is fighting back.

Those thinking Putin will escalate? If that occurs-IE nukes of chemical or biological? I would be shocked. If that happens all bets are off. Russia loses big. We all might.
Most of these now, 2-week old remarks are seeming to be pretty accurate. It looks like Russia will focus on the south and try to save the Crimea area by taking Donbass.
They may actually fail!
Russia's manufacturing and repairing ability has been nearly halted by lack of spare parts, and Ukraine has turned into a veritable junkyard of destroyed Russian hardware and Russian bodies. The fleeing Russian army does not even take their fallen comrades with them, and Ukrainians are running out of storage space.


SO, what will happen?........ IMO, It will take many, many months, but in the end Russia will fail and back out, leaving Donbass to Ukraine and while keeping Crimea for many years, Crimea will become less and less important. The 21 Russian warships in the Black Sea will never be supplemented by the larger fleet from St Petersburg and Odesa will never be taken because Turkey will not open Bosporos Straits to military traffic for many years.
Sanctions against Russia will last many years. Since Ukraine and Russia together make up about 25% of the world's wheat, food prices will climb all over the world, but nowhere will it be as bad as in Russia.
In short, in 10 years Russia will have destroyed itself and everyone who could leave Russia, would have left. The population, already falling, will then plummet.
This will all happen because Russia can no longer manufacture war material, and Ukraine will never run out of material flowing in from many countries.
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Old 04-08-2022, 10:23 AM
 
Location: USA
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So, in the end, it will be the American tax payer picking up the tab again since the Europeans, both West and East have “Alligator arms” when it’s time for them to reach for their wallets.
American hegemony over Europe isn’t cheap.
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