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Old 03-31-2022, 03:24 PM
 
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No, it says no penalty if the baby dies. Some babies die within the first 28 days without being "killed".
There is no criminal penalty now if a baby dies without being "killed" (e.g. SIDS), any more than there is if a woman has a spontaneous miscarriage. And there is no penalty if parents make the choice under guidance from a medical doctor not to put a very sick or handicapped baby on life support, or perform extensive surgery etc. which is highly unlikely to prolong life and/or give the child any quality of life. So there must be more to it than that, or it wouldn't have been mentioned.

For instance, in the hypothetical case that a newborn with Down's syndrome needs lifesaving heart surgery which is anticipated to repair the heart and give the child a quality of life consistent with other people with Down's syndrome, is it legal / moral /ethical to refuse the surgery and allow the baby to die?

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Old 03-31-2022, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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There is no criminal penalty now if a baby dies without being "killed" (e.g. SIDS), any more than there is if a woman has a spontaneous miscarriage. And there is no penalty if parents make the choice under guidance from a medical doctor not to put a very sick or handicapped baby on life support, or perform extensive surgery etc. which is highly unlikely to prolong life and/or give the child any quality of life. So there must be more to it than that, or it wouldn't have been mentioned.

For instance, in the hypothetical case that a newborn with Down's syndrome needs lifesaving heart surgery which is anticipated to repair the heart and give the child a quality of life consistent with other people with Down's syndrome, is it legal / moral /ethical to refuse the surgery and allow the baby to die?
You may debate whether it is moral or ethical, but should it be criminal?
 
Old 03-31-2022, 04:48 PM
 
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You may debate whether it is moral or ethical, but should it be criminal?
That's the question, isn't it? Are you asking for my opinion? Yes, I think it should be criminal to deny a child who has reasonable expectation of good quality of life (which, for instance, most people with Down's syndrome enjoy) lifesaving medical treatment, but rather allow them to die untreated.
 
Old 03-31-2022, 05:55 PM
 
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You may debate whether it is moral or ethical, but should it be criminal?
Are you in favor of killing babies if there is no jail time?

That's pretty sick.
 
Old 03-31-2022, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Are you in favor of killing babies if there is no jail time?

That's pretty sick.
No one is killing babies. It is illegal.
 
Old 03-31-2022, 07:32 PM
 
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No one is killing babies. It is illegal.
If it were legal to kill newborns, it'd be ok then, right?

That's why you clearly asked about criminality. No scruples as long as it's LEGAL. Morals, schmorals.

Sick. Sick. Sick. No worries though. Lots of others posters think the same, if it's legal, it's aaaaaaallll goooooood.
 
Old 03-31-2022, 07:34 PM
 
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If it were legal to kill newborns, it'd be ok then, right?
It is not legal.
 
Old 03-31-2022, 07:38 PM
 
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It is not legal.
Is it moral?

Is it ethical?

Neither of those ideas matter to posters like you , only LEGAL matters. If California continues on it's disgusting path, the bill will pass, and you'll get to cheer on post birth abortion. If it doesn't, you can just remember those abortionists who did kill newborns. In spite of it being "illegal."

Sick people on this board.
 
Old 03-31-2022, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Is it moral?

Is it ethical?

Neither of those ideas matter to posters like you , only LEGAL matters. If California continues on it's disgusting path, the bill will pass, and you'll get to cheer on post birth abortion. If it doesn't, you can just remember those abortionists who did kill newborns. In spite of it being "illegal."

Sick people on this board.
You do not get to decide what is moral or ethical for another person.

The CA bill does not legalize killing babies.
 
Old 03-31-2022, 07:53 PM
 
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You do not get to decide what is moral or ethical for another person.

The CA bill does not legalize killing babies.
Ethics are subjective.

Morals are not.

Legal is neither. it's just an arbitrary ruling.

Which is why you only concern yourself with legal. If it were legal to kill newborns, AKA post-birth abortion, your posts indicate you would be OK with it.

Sick. Evil. Sick.

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