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Old 03-31-2022, 07:09 PM
 
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File this under not suspicious, because our mainstream propaganda media has downplayed any connection between the Wuhan lab and covid to the point of implying racism if you do.

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National Institutes of Health (NIH) documents obtained by a nonprofit watchdog in a federal court suit reveal that the agency deleted Covid-19 genetic sequencing information from the Wuhan Institute of Virology at the Chinese lab’s request.
https://m.theepochtimes.com/watchdog...aign=ZeroHedge
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Old 04-05-2022, 11:15 PM
 
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Meanwhile in Shanghai...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vOvHcS6Egg
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Old 04-06-2022, 08:53 AM
 
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The Epoch Times. There’s a reliable source.
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Old 04-06-2022, 09:04 AM
 
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The Epoch Times. There’s a reliable source.
You make yourself look foolish by repeating this same mantra when you don't want to deal with stuff. Especially while at the same time accepting mainstream reporting which has been wrong more than we can count.

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June 2021 - Seattle scientist digs up deleted coronavirus genetic data, adding fuel to the covid origin debate

An American scientist has incited a new skirmish over the origin of the coronavirus, reporting that he has retrieved potentially significant genetic data about SARS-CoV-2 that had been stored on a digital archive at the National Institutes of Health and later deleted.

Jesse Bloom, a computational biologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, posted his findings on the preprint server bioRxiv, where papers that have not yet been peer-reviewed or published in a journal have been landing by the thousands since the start of the pandemic.

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Bloom, who retrieved the data through Google Cloud, does not claim that it advances one theory or another, but he contends it bolsters evidence that the virus was circulating in Wuhan, China, before a December outbreak of covid-19, the illness caused by the virus, that was linked to a market selling live animals.

What is not in dispute is that raw data was deleted from a database at NIH.

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Bloom said in an email to The Post that he was not accusing NIH of wrongdoing. But Bloom’s online paper suggests the deletion of data violates scientific norms and the code of trust essential to science. On Twitter, Bloom said the data was also taken down from a Chinese database.


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Emails from the FOIA Request
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Old 04-06-2022, 09:08 AM
 
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NIH/NCBI will nearly always delete submissions at the submitter's request. so it's hard to tell if this was something nefarious, or if there were valid reasons behind withdrawing it.
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Old 04-06-2022, 09:16 AM
 
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Pathetic. All because of a disease with a sub-one-percent mortality rate. You would think we were dealing with something akin to the black plague (which is estimated to have had more like a 70% mortality rate). I wonder what would happen to humanity if we DID actually get a disease like that on a worldwide scale? I'd doubt humanity would survive as they did during the middle ages plagues. Nowadays, those of us who were not killed by the disease would be killing each other in a grand hysterical frenzy.

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Old 04-06-2022, 09:23 AM
 
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Pathetic. All because of a disease with a sub-one-percent mortality rate. You would think we were dealing with something akin to the black plague (which is estimate to have had more like a 70% mortality rate). I wonder what would happen to humanity if we DID actually get a disease like that on a worldwide scale? I'd doubt humanity would survive as they did during the middle ages plagues. Nowadays, those of us who were not killed by the disease would be killing each other in a grand hysterical frenzy.
i'm really surprised that china has continued insisting on the zero-covid path, to the point of shutting down a city as huge as shanghai. i guess not doing so would be basically admitting they were wrong from the start, and therefore a 'loss of face.'
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Old 04-06-2022, 09:26 AM
 
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You make yourself look foolish by repeating this same mantra when you don't want to deal with stuff. Especially while at the same time accepting mainstream reporting which has been wrong more than we can count.

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June 2021 - Seattle scientist digs up deleted coronavirus genetic data, adding fuel to the covid origin debate

An American scientist has incited a new skirmish over the origin of the coronavirus, reporting that he has retrieved potentially significant genetic data about SARS-CoV-2 that had been stored on a digital archive at the National Institutes of Health and later deleted.

Jesse Bloom, a computational biologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, posted his findings on the preprint server bioRxiv, where papers that have not yet been peer-reviewed or published in a journal have been landing by the thousands since the start of the pandemic.

...
Bloom, who retrieved the data through Google Cloud, does not claim that it advances one theory or another, but he contends it bolsters evidence that the virus was circulating in Wuhan, China, before a December outbreak of covid-19, the illness caused by the virus, that was linked to a market selling live animals.

What is not in dispute is that raw data was deleted from a database at NIH.

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Bloom said in an email to The Post that he was not accusing NIH of wrongdoing. But Bloom’s online paper suggests the deletion of data violates scientific norms and the code of trust essential to science. On Twitter, Bloom said the data was also taken down from a Chinese database.


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Speaking of foolish...

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-08837-7

We never hear right wingers mention this particular move in this whole mess.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/fe...h-controversy/

Point being is that if this were a lab induced incident like righties like to claim...

It was this policy move that increased it's likelihood. Furthermore, it was this policy that allowed GOF researchers to work with much less oversight.

Perhaps with a better oversight policy this mysterious COVID genetic sequencing would have been reported earlier.

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Old 04-06-2022, 10:03 AM
 
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Speaking of foolish...

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-08837-7

We never hear right wingers mention this particular move in this whole mess.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/fe...h-controversy/

Point being is that if this were a lab induced incident like righties like to claim...

It was this policy move that increased it's likelihood. Furthermore, it was this policy that allowed GOF researchers to work with much less oversight.

Perhaps with a better oversight policy this mysterious COVID genetic sequencing would have been reported earlier.
Not sure what your point with this is in regarding to deleting data... care to clarify and be upfront and remove the veil?

It's been mentioned before.

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Let me just deal with this now. The whole point of your post is to try and blame Trump by linking to articles written during his term - that make it seem as though Trump was involved in removing the Gain if Function moratorium. Let's just put all of the cards on the table.

The fact is that on Jan 9, 2017 - the Obama Admin lifted the restriction on Gain of Function research right before leaving the White House.

Summary - Recommended Policy Guidance for Potential Pandemic Pathogen Care and Oversight

Guidance Doc - Recommended Policy Guidance for Departmental Development of Review Mechanisms for Potential Pandemic Pathogen Care and Oversight (P3CO)

1.4. Agencies that adopt a review mechanism consistent with the provisions specified below will have satisfied the requirements for lifting that agency’s moratorium on certain gain-of-function research consistent with the October 17, 2014 statement “U.S. Government Gain-of-Function Deliberative Process and Research Funding Pause on Selected Gain-of-Function Research Involving Influenza, MERS, and SARS Viruses.”


Stop being a political hack Eddie... the truth will set you free.

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Old 04-06-2022, 11:56 AM
 
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Pathetic. All because of a disease with a sub-one-percent mortality rate. You would think we were dealing with something akin to the black plague (which is estimated to have had more like a 70% mortality rate). I wonder what would happen to humanity if we DID actually get a disease like that on a worldwide scale? I'd doubt humanity would survive as they did during the middle ages plagues. Nowadays, those of us who were not killed by the disease would be killing each other in a grand hysterical frenzy.

My point exactly. A lot of the democrat base wants us to behave like this. I don't think they realize at all how badly inflation and the supply chain issues would be if people like this were in charge. This is why we need to start having more domestic production of goods if this is how China plans to handle covid permanently, because it's never going away. There's so much to respect about their culture, but then they go and totally over-react to a virus with a .5% fatality rate. In my mind it makes them look pathetic. The entire endeavor is totally pointless in my opinion. Let covid spread among the population and open back up. But compassion!!! they say. Whatever. This is what firearm ownership is for. Just a couple percent of their population could take out their entire army and all those Karens lining the streets but they are culturalized from birth to basically be obedient to authority. I guess if it works for them... I have a feeling this is the wet dream of the ruling class, to have a totally obedient population that behaves like this.

With vaccine availability, it's doubly pointless to over-react in this fashion.
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