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The GOP wanted to curtail early voting and in that hot state you can't give water to voters in line?
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Why not bring your own water? People are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves, and do not need anyone outside approaching them to give them things.
When I last voted, there were Dems out there, trying so hard to make you believe in them, but what they could not do was get close to people. They had to stand where they were. Clue: That wasn't in Florida.
That's how it should be.
Early voting should not last past the election day, no matter how much the Dems whine about it.
Why not bring your own water? People are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves, and do not need anyone outside approaching them to give them things.
When I last voted, there were Dems out there, trying so hard to make you believe in them, but what they could not do was get close to people. They had to stand where they were. Clue: That wasn't in Florida.
That's how it should be.
Early voting should not last past the election day, no matter how much the Dems whine about it.
Correct and yes, people are capable of bringing a bottle water
i never needed help voting. it isn't about help though because most people with a brain in their head can grasp the concept (although you probably have some mental deficits if you vote democrat)
the current head of the populist leaning republican party speaks at the sixth grade level and the democrats are not smart?
The ruling is 288 pages - what part specifically details the abuse with facts instead of supposition.
Apparently the GOP must be abusing blacks because "90% of Florida’s White voting age citizens are registered to vote. But only 83% of its Black and 77% of its Latino voting age citizenry are registered" - page 46. So a whole 7% less, maybe fewer are eligible to vote. It also ignores that by sheer numbers that there are more Whites that are not registered to vote than blacks and latinos combined. There are more Republicans registered to vote than Democrats in Florida so why is it suppression that a Rep wins a statewide election? I guess someone is suppressing the white vote even more.
"While 80.1% of Black households and 84.7% of Latino households have access to broadband internet, 88.8% of White households have such access." page 47 - again is this really a sign of voter suppression or more of a sign of being poor. How did the GOP cause this disparity?
There are maybe 50 other attempts to use stats that were not part of the testimony to justify the ruling of violating the voter rights act - but no smoking gun proof. The whole 288 pages is trying to justify a ruling of suppression without any thought of what is the real cause. It is a liberal rant that shows an obvious bias, using opinion as a basis for the ruling.
Why in the world is mail in balloting being humoured as some long term fixture of the American democratic process? It's a modus operandi ripe with the potential for exploitation and lack of oversight. In the nations where it is allowed it tends to be heavily regulated. What we've seen in recent years here stateside with the escapades has done nothing but shatter my confidence in the idea of postal balloting or some kind of pre/post election chronological allowance that seems to go on, oddly enough to the benefit of one party as the graphs show an aberrant uptick that allows them to conveniently get just over the finish line. Like that doesn't have proverbial c*** smeared all over it.
If, if, if! You still don't demonstrate why there must be a new law. Approaching people to electioneer is already illegal. I think FL is hot. Why do they have first aid at concerts and such? Because they regard people as clumsy klutzes?
The law isn't new. Portions are new and more explicit, because they need to be. What does a concert have to do with an election?
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You keep making that sort of ad hominem remark. What I post is highly logical.
What I post is a fact based observation. To review once again; you think since no voter fraud was detected that therefore no voter fraud happened, but ignore that no steps were taken to verify the voters eligibility, therefore it is unknown if fraud occurred, not proven that it didn't occur.
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Why of course? Because there is no law does not mean that folks are urged to bring water to the long lines. Bringing water to someone is not electioneering.
Of course bringing water to someone is electioneering if you are wearing a shirt that is explicitly (Democrat Party of South Florida) or implicitly (SEIU Local186) political.
The only difference between the FL law and uber liberal NY State is 50' (150' vs 100'). Both have the same ban on food and water. FL made their "influencing" law more explicit. NY's already was.
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Since there are already laws against any electioneering, no excuse is provided to anyone. You are in favor of setting up a roadblock where none was shown to be necessary and using the excuse that 'we need this'. That's not logical.
Obviously it is a problem because lots of states have explicit laws about food and water, NY State is one of them. Other states merely categorize it under "influencing". The FL law is not some new concept, 27 other states have influencing laws. Obviously they exist for a reason. Or perhaps you can offer an alternative reasons as to why 28 states ban influencing in close proximity to polling places?
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Plus, providing something to drink to a thirsty person is one of those corporal works of mercy. I forget which one. You could ask DeSantis -- he trumpets his Catholicism.
Then how do you know it is present if it is so darn hard to detect? All indications are that it is rare. Remember the Heritage Foundation noted that voter impersonation happened about 10 times out of a billion votes cast in federal elections?
The report you cited is not from the Heritage Foundation, it is from the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law, a public policy institute generally considered liberal or progressive in its policy positions and views. The report you cited shows way more fraud than 10 cases in the last election cycle so the statement "10 times out of a billion votes cast in federal elections" is far from the truth. Why do you feel the need to color the truth?
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My logic is sound. You quote the basis for the GOP bans on sharia law. If there's no evidence it is a danger, why pass laws against it? Let's pass laws against extraterrestrial invasion. If no one is checking for space aliens, there might be one in the closet. Didn't Reagan go on about the fact that the states pass too many laws?
Your logic is flawed - inability to verify voter eligibility IS the issue - the comments about extraterrestrial and Regan are obvious attempts to deflect.
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The length of the ban is immaterial. If FL can monitor politicking within 150 feet then the state can monitor politicking with water within 150 feet. No new law was required.
If the length of the ban was truly immaterial, why is it not just 1 hour, 1 day, 1 year or 10,000 years. The fact is the ban is not constitutional and was just an attempt to insert the judicial branch into the legislative branch process - that is clearly improper. They can rule on legality after passage IF someone objects with valid standing but it is not their business to judge legality before it is even passed, let alone challenged.
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They don't need more people. What does the NRA(GOP) say? Use the laws already on the books; don't pass new laws. If politicking too close is illegal than politicking too close with water bottles already is banned.
So if already illegal, why object to clarification of the law - probably because it adds penalties to the illegal activity. Can't have the fact that the activity is already illegal but now subject to penalty to dissuade someone from ignoring the already illegal activity.
Why not bring your own water? People are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves, and do not need anyone outside approaching them to give them things.
Few people know ahead of time how long they will be in line. Remember, the FL Republicans curtailed early voting.
What's wrong with giving people in line water? What scares the GOP?
To review once again; you think since no voter fraud was detected that therefore no voter fraud happened, but ignore that no steps were taken to verify the voters eligibility, therefore it is unknown if fraud occurred, not proven that it didn't occur.
For that matter, you have no reason to presume that widespread vote fraud happened. We know that voter impersonation is rare. We also know that any vote fraud in the 2020 presidential election did not change the result, according to legal authorities.
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Of course bringing water to someone is electioneering if you are wearing a shirt that is explicitly (Democrat Party of South Florida) or implicitly (SEIU Local186) political.
I'm not so sure. A recent court case said that political buttons were not electioneering.
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Obviously it is a problem because lots of states have explicit laws about food and water ...
That's what the Jesuits call 'a leap of faith'. Professionals eschew using the term 'obviously' as to legal issues.
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