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Old 04-03-2022, 05:04 PM
 
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I think it does matter to maintain a perspective instead of getting caught up in “going to hell in a handbag” thinking.
Is that why you only picked a source showing 1990 to 2019 instead of 2021?
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Old 04-03-2022, 05:20 PM
 
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Violent crime, including homicide peaked in the US in the late 80’s- mid 90’s.
Most made local news, pre internet, social media, online news, etc.

There is a huge difference between being aware and actual violence.

There are more firearms than people in the US. This horse left the barn a long time ago. And there’s no going back.
It is all coming back. We will be at ‘80s level soon if we aren’t already there, only this time the prosecutors and judges just let the murderers out
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Old 04-03-2022, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Boston
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California seems to be so dangerous these days. So many violent incidents there.
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Old 04-03-2022, 07:37 PM
 
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Looks like it. There was at least one fight preceeding the shooting.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...unded-n1586531

A bar, Saturday night, cooped up 2 years as a young person gang member or not this is a recipe for this stuff.
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Old 04-03-2022, 08:44 PM
 
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Ah, okay. Sorry for the error in a previous post, that was a link to another shooting that happened earlier this year.
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Old 04-03-2022, 08:50 PM
 
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Violent crime, including homicide peaked in the US in the late 80’s- mid 90’s.
Or so we thought...
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Old 04-03-2022, 10:27 PM
 
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Well, it’s a good thing that we have laws that forbid criminals, especially felons, to possess firearms, magazines and ammunition. Also, I’m sure that these criminals followed California’s State law that forbid them from having any magazines with a capacity of greater than 10 rounds.

Also, being California, I’m sure that all the firearms used was from their firearm’s approval list.

Seriously, I wonder how many of these criminals had previous felonies dropped by the State?

How many were released from prisons way too early or actually never were sent to prison?

How many of these criminals never made it to prison, but only given “supervised” probation?
California doesn't have much tolerance for violent crimes, I'm not sure why you think 'previous felonies are dropped by the state' that just doesn't happen, there are two pathways to get a felony off your record; pardon or expungement and neither are available to most felons. I'm not sure what 'way too early' means for release from prison but you can check the California penal code for sentencing information. I know it's popular to say that California is "soft on crime" but it's really not much different than any other state. I have a friend whose adult son committed a home invasion robbery in South Carolina, he was armed and threatened the occupants, he was sentenced to 5 years and with work credit and good conduct credit he will serve a little over a year.
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Old 04-03-2022, 11:21 PM
 
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California seems to be so dangerous these days. So many violent incidents there.
Ok, here is where I totally agree with Middle age Mom. It's definitely nowhere near where it was in the 80-90's.

That being said, most of the posters exposed to the risk (out at 1AM at clubs etc.) weren't out of gradeschool or even born back then so it's *new* to them.

So while it's only 40% as bad as 30 years ago, it's twice as bad as it was three years ago in some parts of the country.

Make your own choices, but let's be transparent about the new levels of violence.

P.S. BLM...a raging success. I'd point this out to their leadership but, there is no one at this time. Apparently people don't want to be near the epicenter of that evolving felony tax and embezzelment case.
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Old 04-04-2022, 08:41 AM
 
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Last point to make.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...b17dc3ad09d90d

Homicides back in the early 90's were about 23k a year.
That decreased to more like 15-16k in recent years and then went up to 21.5k in 2020 and 22.5k in 2021.

We can talk about population ratios all we want but that's an "extra" 5-6k killings a year and many times that number shot and trying to move on with life despite injury.
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Old 04-04-2022, 08:51 AM
 
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As of this morning at least 2 suspects still at large, a stolen handgun recovered, they acknowledge a fight took place prior and the club had started closing at 1:30am

https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article260077465.html
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