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Old 01-12-2022, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The Ocean Liner of Democracy

In the beginning, the republican form was like a large ocean liner, where the passengers were the sovereign people, and the ship's crew were the citizens, and the elected officials "ran" the ship. But the function of the ocean liner was to transport the passengers (sovereign people).

Over time, more and more passengers were misled to presume they were crew, and became involved in endless squabbles over ship's duties, pay, and who should be "captain."

Suddenly, the passenger cabins were empty, and hardly anyone paid attention. If there were no passengers, what was the purpose of the great ship? Where was it going?

Eventually, the lost ship met with calamity and sank beneath the waves.

The End.

Moral of the Story - The Ship of State (government) was instituted to secure passage (secure rights) for those who were NOT crew members (who had waived rights in order to be citizens). In America's case, it was never designed to be "all-crew" and no passengers.

Without passengers, what destination makes sense?
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Old 01-12-2022, 11:15 PM
 
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Now we're the ones rowing in order to take the elite their desired destination.
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Old 01-12-2022, 11:24 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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"The people should have the power".... "The people should not involve themselves in government"... "Democracy is ruining democracy".


If you think a minority of "elites" should rule, just come out and say it. Stop playing these semantic games.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KenC5zBZRV4
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Old 01-12-2022, 11:25 PM
 
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The vast majority of boat owners in the US are republicans because there are not any government programs that give boats away. Those boats sail to whatever location their republican owners please.
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Old 01-12-2022, 11:26 PM
 
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Its like a ghost ship then. Those things are scary. Haunted mansion in the middle of the ocean. They need to make better haunted ship movies


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czaiwSsQod8
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Old 05-06-2022, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The Ocean Liner of Democracy

In the beginning, the republican form was like a large ocean liner, where the passengers were the sovereign people, and the ship's crew were the citizens, and the elected officials "ran" the ship. But the function of the ocean liner was to transport the passengers (sovereign people).

Over time, more and more passengers were misled to presume they were crew, and became involved in endless squabbles over ship's duties, pay, and who should be "captain."

Suddenly, the passenger cabins were empty, and hardly anyone paid attention. If there were no passengers, what was the purpose of the great ship? Where was it going?

Eventually, the lost ship met with calamity and sank beneath the waves.

The End.

Moral of the Story - The Ship of State (government) was instituted to secure passage (secure rights) for those who were NOT crew members (who had waived rights in order to be citizens). In America's case, it was never designed to be "all-crew" and no passengers.

Without passengers, what destination makes sense?
Quick refresher - under the republican form of government - all men are created equal (before the law) and have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure - not tax, regulate nor trespass. (Great!)
Absent consent of the governed, all that servant government was authorized to do was adjudicate disputes, prosecute criminals, and defend against all enemies, foreign or domestic.
(Acceptable!)
None of that process involved partisan politics, "wingism", taxing one to pay another, or any other democratic "interpretation."
Either the government secures endowed rights, or the people should alter or abolish it.
BUT
If one consents to be governed, in order to exercise civil and political privileges, mandatory civic duties abrogate all endowed rights.
(Ex: Militia duty - the obligation to train, fight, and die on command - voids any expectation of the right to life and liberty. And ad valorem taxes on qualified ownership of estate voids any expectation of absolute ownership of private property.)
In other words, shut up, sit down, pay and obey.
  • Until consent is withdrawn, no remedy is possible.
  • After consent is withdrawn, no remedy is needed.
At this time, the bankrupt socialist democracy is slowly sinking the Ship of State, with ever greater debt, interest payments, and future obligations to pay enormous tax bills to support the exploding population of recipients.
And you cannot do anything to change it - within the system. You're going down with the ship, regardless.
The only viable remedy is to get off the ship, and head for "dry land" (Law of the Land).
Once restored to your endowed rights, government ceases to be your lord and master, and returns to its duties as your servant.

Of course, if a substantial number of Americans do that, the Peoples Democratic Socialist Republic will collapse, lacking revenues to spend and warm bodies to "govern."
Which might explain why "government approved" indoctrination (curricula) avoids any mention of that fact. And discourages any investigation into the foundation of American law (Declaration of Independence, and the Articles of Confederation).

Feigned reverence for the US Constitution has been used to mask the State of Emergency, in place since 1933, that has authorized its bypass, and allowed for the imposition of a socialist collective - by our consent - saith the law. Of course, most Americans don't know how and when they consented, because few bother to read their own laws. Even CONgress enacts laws that were not read, in their entirety, by the parties voting on them. it's a grand scam, but it is about to end.

The last question : what will happen after the OCEAN LINER sinks?
Will they salvage the REPUBLICAN FORM or will the PEOPLES DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST REPUBLIC take over the operation of "U.S., Inc."?
Will the American people be sovereign, free and independent, or subjects, obligated and governed?
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Old 05-06-2022, 02:40 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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We have to go and take charge because our leaders are a bunch of corrupt swampy's that care more about lining their pockets then governing properly. We wouldn't have gotten rid of all the liberal School board members this spring without a grassroots effort because the Republican legislature just sits on their hands most of the time more worried about donations from their wealthy PACs.

The Democrats meanwhile are intentionally or unintentionally trying to destroy this country mostly because of their feel-good policy that doesn't work in the long run... Wanting to pay all of society to not work and rewarding bad behavior.

I like your little parable though I was quite clever I'll give you a rep. I would argue this entire planet needs a tea party movement I look around at all the leadership in these countries and they all seem so in need of replacement...
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Old 05-06-2022, 03:21 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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We need, we desperately need a strong, powerful 3rd political party in this country. This country should be embarrassed, at this stage in history, only 2 "poisons" to choose from.
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Old 05-06-2022, 04:32 AM
 
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Perhaps I failed to convey the point that those who DO NOT CONSENT TO BE GOVERNED, are left alone. They are not taxed, regulated nor restricted in the exercise of their endowed rights. Only those who participate in the democracy are obligated to serve, and pay taxes for the privilege.

In America, the people are the sovereigns, and the government is the servant. YOU DO NOT WANT "LEADERS" in the government. You want trusted SERVANTS.

And by limiting their revenue - and - the folks they can "govern", you reduce the "mischief" they can get into.
"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_lincoln

Absent consent of the governed, the servant government is limited to securing rights and nothing more.

SOVEREIGNS WITHOUT SUBJECTS
“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . .
“... In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns.”
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremec...CR_0002_0419_Z

Translation : People are the sovereigns, government is their agent (like a regent).
BUT
If you consent to be governed, as their citizen, you become SUBJECT to your new SOVEREIGN, the government.

__ Citizens are NOT sovereigns __
CITIZEN - ... Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associative capacity, have established or SUBMITTED themselves to the dominion of government for the promotion of the general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. p.244

"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "SUBJECT" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
- - - State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)

SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
(Note: there is only one country with a "republican form" of government)
Citizenship comes with mandatory civic duties that abrogate endowed rights. But that's okay - citizenship is voluntary. How do we know this? The Supreme Court has held, in Butler v. Perry, 240 U.S. 328 (1916), that the Thirteenth Amendment does not prohibit "enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, militia, on the jury, etc." In Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1918), the Supreme Court ruled that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".

If they’re not involuntary servitude, they MUST be voluntary. AND the duties only apply to citizens - ergo - citizenship must be voluntary.

American governments were instituted to secure the endowed rights of the sovereign people. So from whom did they get the power to impose citizenship, at birth, upon infants who cannot consent?
And where can that power be exercised, if involuntary servitude is prohibited in the united States of America?
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Old 05-06-2022, 05:25 AM
 
Location: NY
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The Ocean Liner of Democracy

In the beginning, the republican form was like a large ocean liner, where the passengers were the sovereign people, and the ship's crew were the citizens, and the elected officials "ran" the ship. But the function of the ocean liner was to transport the passengers (sovereign people).

Over time, more and more passengers were misled to presume they were crew, and became involved in endless squabbles over ship's duties, pay, and who should be "captain."

Suddenly, the passenger cabins were empty, and hardly anyone paid attention. If there were no passengers, what was the purpose of the great ship? Where was it going?

Eventually, the lost ship met with calamity and sank beneath the waves.

The End.

Moral of the Story - The Ship of State (government) was instituted to secure passage (secure rights) for those who were NOT crew members (who had waived rights in order to be citizens). In America's case, it was never designed to be "all-crew" and no passengers.

Without passengers, what destination makes sense?


Christian Show of the 60's "David and Goliath"

I remember the words of one show.........about playing baseball.

" If we were all catchers there wouldn't be any pitchers."

Applies to everyday life..............
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