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Old 04-21-2022, 11:09 AM
 
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I started thinking about the implications of Marijuana being kept on the Schedule 1 list, from another thread on this board.


Numerous states have legalized it, and its obvious there is a big public opinion shift on Marijuana...BUT, its STILL a schedule 1 drug at the federal level, (meaning, its STILL considered as dangerous as Heroin, Cocaine, Fentanyl, Meth, etc).


The states that have legalized it at the recreational level are not factoring in that it remains a Schedule 1 drug, (if they legalize one Schedule 1 drug...they instantly loose the justification with all the other Schedule 1 drugs in the process!) There is no way around this, the implications are huge.


Has anyone at the Federal level explained why Marijuana is still a Schedule 1 drug?


**I remember some years ago, when public opinion on Marijuana slowly began to change, the DEA took out a full page ad, stating "they would not even consider lowering the schedule of Marijuana"...So, that implies that they still consider it one of the most dangerous drugs out there.


The real takeaway from that full page ad, imo...WHY is a 'federal Govt agency' making a statement like that in the first place? (its beyond their scope), the elected lawmakers ARE the ones that make those decisions!!! Its very very suspicious of the DEA to do what they did...they are implying THEY control the scheduling of drugs?!


(That is extremely dangerous grounds for a Federal agency to be on!) Citizens should have burned the DEA to the ground after they did that imo! That is not only a violation of the Constitution, it conflicts with how Govt works in this country. Its VERY serious.
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Old 04-21-2022, 12:13 PM
 
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all our drug laws are mostly hype and gibberish what else is new?
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Old 04-21-2022, 12:23 PM
 
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The way I understood it to be, schedule 1 implies a drug is controlled and has no medicinal value. Heroin and cocaine have some medicinal value according to the federal government, but not marijuana. If it sounds absurd, it probably is, but the federal government gets it wrong on a lot of things... They can't even figure out what the difference is between a boy and a girl.
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Old 04-22-2022, 01:33 AM
 
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all our drug laws are mostly hype and gibberish what else is new?
Well, not really. 10s of 1000s of lives are ruined or lost, thanks to these ineffective laws. that is pretty serious imo.


Here is whats hard to understand...in most if not all situations, (when laws are not effective over a long period of time), citizens are very vocal about creating new laws that are effective!


Example, what if child abuse laws were not even slightly effective? Would people really just accept that and allow the laws to go on as they have been? If I remember correctly, parents raised all kinds of hell when the sex offender laws were not that effective...and the Govt and law enforcement listened...now the laws are VERY TOUGH, years ago, it was nothing like it is today, so why the difference when it comes to drugs?


I still hear from many many people, that they fully support the DEA, parents encourage their kids to look up to these law enforcement officers, they believe they are doing a good thing in general!! (are they blind or what?)


I need to sit down and come up with a good way to raise awareness on this, I had the idea to set up a table at Walgreens back when the BLM protests were going on, but I never followed thru with it, I need to come up with some kind of 'informational pamphlet', and have 1000s printed out...trying to raise awareness that the DEA is working for the drug cartels, (and not the safety/security of American citizens)...


The Marijuana angle would be PERFECT, as opinions are changing on that, so sort of 'exposing the DEA' for the terrorists they are, may be an easy sell, if done properly! (basically the whole countries opinion on Marijuana is shifting today...its no longer the deadly and dangerous drug, that these DEA scum warned us it was...add to, that the DEA reiterates, it will NOT EVEN CONSIDER re scheduling it?!! Are they for real? If that is not an openly blunt and direct admission of 'working for the enemy', Im not sure what is!


Plus, in the American way of governing...we do NOT tolerate 'govt agencies' making decisions on laws! That is in major conflict with the 3 branches of Govt and their scope...(this is probably the best way to raise awareness!). ANYONE from middle school and up, knows what the 3 branches of Govt are and what each can, and cannot do by law.
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Old 04-22-2022, 05:14 AM
 
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The Feds need to decriminalize Marijuana. But they won't because it gives them ao much power over people.
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Old 04-22-2022, 08:46 AM
 
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The Feds need to decriminalize Marijuana. But they won't because it gives them ao much power over people.
The feds cannot really do that though...


For many many years, they warned us about the extreme dangers of marijuana...if the feds tried to walk all that back, they would loose a lot of credibility in the process, in fact, they would loose their justification for keeping all the other Sch 1 drugs on that list too!


Think about it...recently they warned us how deadly and dangerous Marijuana was...if they admit they were wrong...that is going to have an impact on the drugs they call deadly and dangerous today. (if they were wrong in the past...likely they are wrong today too).


This really is more than the drugs themselves though and what schedule they are on...our Govt has 3 distinct branches, (that is the foundation for our system of Govt!)...kids are taught about the 3 branches of Govt in middle school for petes sake...and a 'federal law enforcement agency' has the power to effect drug scheduling?!!! This is totally beyond their scope. there are reasons why we do not allow federal agencies to have that power.
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Old 04-22-2022, 09:13 AM
 
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Pretty simple. Its still a schedule 1 drug because the GOP in the senate will block any bills decriminalizating it.

The other method is the AG can file a petition to order the HHS to determine its medical value. The HHS submits a recommendation and the AG then can take action. Not sure if the AG has to follow the recommendation or not. Obama could have gone this route but decided against it. Trump also could have. And from what I understand the HHS process is very slow.
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Old 04-22-2022, 09:16 AM
 
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the US led the way thru its social engineering over one hundred years ago from the progressive branch of the REPUBLICAN



party of its time...it was the us that even tied trade agreements to host country's drug laws around the world


a percentage of humans will always look to artificial drug induced reality...the us had fairly easy access to prescription drugs into the 1970s...


so many people buy into distorted facts about addiction that tie it together with crime that nothing short of a re-education of the population will work...i have been involved in recovery for 20plus years and currently the trend is de-stigmatization
which is a step in the correct direction
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Old 04-22-2022, 09:16 AM
 
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Pretty simple. Its still a schedule 1 drug because the GOP in the senate will block any bills decriminalizating it.

The other method is the AG can file a petition to order the HHS to determine its medical value. The HHS submits a recommendation and the AG then can take action. Not sure if the AG has to follow the recommendation or not. Obama could have gone this route but decided against it. Trump also could have. And from what I understand the HHS process is very slow.
That does NOT explain why democrat controlled Senate, has not even attempted decriminalization at the federal level? Care to address that?


Drug laws in general became TOUGHER under Obamas term as POTUS??!! (some of the toughest drug laws were created when Obama was president!...Opioid prescription drug laws)


That is really besides the point though...the 'Senate' are not the ones with the power to reschedule drugs...(the DEA is the only one with that power)...try to explain or justify that?!
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Old 04-22-2022, 09:25 AM
 
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That does NOT explain why democrat controlled Senate, has not even attempted decriminalization at the federal level? Care to address that?

Drug laws in general became TOUGHER under Obamas term as POTUS??!! (some of the toughest drug laws were created when Obama was president!...Opioid prescription drug laws)
I believe there have been 6 bills started on it. Shumer has been holding on to one for 10 months. Not sure what he is waiting for.

It can be filibustered and 2/3rds would be needed to override. On top of that Biden has signaled he is against legalization. He would probably support decriminalization. Add to it the dems put forth these bills that have all sorts of things added to it. Like taxing pot or expunging former convictions and other things the GOP is against. It would be nice if there was just a bill that just decriminalizes it and nothing else. That would be the simple and smart option. Makes you wonder if the democrats who claim to want to do this really have another agenda.

Reason.com has a story out yesterday as to why it won't make it through congress:

Congress Won't Legalize Pot Anytime Soon, but It Could Protect Marijuana Businesses by Passing Banking Reform

MSNBC columnist Hayes Brown notes. "Given the likelihood of a Republican filibuster, that would require Schumer to get at least 12 GOP votes to move forward any comprehensive bill."
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