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Old 04-25-2022, 06:24 AM
 
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Here in CA we have a ten day wait so the FFL gets compensated for that. Between the DROS and other fees the gun may cost less than the fees.
"Here in CA we have a ten day wait"

Many women have been killed during even a 3 day wait, by the person they have restraining order against, which is the reason they are getting a gun in the 1st place.
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Old 04-25-2022, 06:31 AM
 
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You sound like some one that cant buy a gun legally. And please, there's no need to give us all the statistics on crimes by guns bought legal and illegally. I've bought several. I have no problem waiting for a back ground check. It weeds out the people that shouldnt have a gun. You cant pass a BG check, buy it illegally like most criminals or people with a record. If the NRA had their way, you'd get a free handgun with your next fill up of gas.
"If the NRA had their way, you'd get a free handgun with your next fill up of gas."

You were doing real well until this juvenile asinine comment!

And some wonder why we CAN'T have reasonable adult conversions with some people!
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Old 04-25-2022, 06:33 AM
 
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The background check is the dumbest thing ever.

If someone can’t pass a background check, why would you want him to walk around?
"The background check is the dumbest thing ever."

I could say the same about this statement from you!
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Old 04-25-2022, 06:35 AM
 
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It's the same way with controlled substances. We don't have a gun problem we have a people who have a propensity towards violence problem. Until someone can come up with a solution to that the violence will continue. But we could at least start by removing them from society for the rest of their lives. Instead of letting multiple offenders roam free.

It's mind boggling that all of these Lefty's are for open borders that allow the flood of criminals, guns and drugs into our country while simultaneously trying to impose more restrictions on American citizens? Nobody knows for sure who the hell some of these people are and what their backgrounds are? Maybe we should just do background and NICS checks on all of them? Maybe another gun law?
"It's mind boggling that all of these Lefty's are for open borders that allow the flood of criminals, guns and drugs into our country while simultaneously trying to impose more restrictions on American citizens?"


Great post!
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Old 04-25-2022, 06:39 AM
 
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When he was convicted most if not all states had age of consent laws either 16 or 17. She might have been 14-15 years old he was 21 would you want your 14 or 15 year old daughter having sex with a 21 year old? He should have known better I'm older and even back then we all knew the saying "16 will get you 20".

My nephews when he turned 18 he was starting to go to parties stay out late my brother took him go over the laws and some cases of others who had been convicted with a criminal attorney. The attorney was so impressed with the idea he told my brother the hour was free because he usually is defending someone not preventing a crime.

Your friend can buy a black powder, or high powered air rifle for hunting some people like that kind of hunting it's more challenging.





If you believe in that then build a machine gun take it to your nearest police station tell them it's your constitutional right to own see what happens? You won't because you only say things but never do anything to prove what you believe in. The constitution 2A won't keep you out of prison.
Your post is NOT worth a response any more then this!
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Old 04-25-2022, 08:15 AM
 
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"The background check is the dumbest thing ever."

I could say the same about this statement from you!
Is it more DUMB, that someone supporting violating citizens Constitutional rights? (by requiring background checks in order to legally purchase a firearm)...That is PURE BALONEY!


Besides that, how does that actually work, once a felon has paid off his debt to society, they are NO LONGER criminals, so even a background check would not be applicable then?! What is the goal, to prevent someone from legally buying a gun, for a brief period of time? LOL Whats the point in that?


Oh let me guess, you probably believe 'Once a criminal...ALWAYS a criminal'?!


I cannot believe how popular the anti-American sentiment is today in this country, we have people that support the govt violating our Constitutional rights?! (because they happen to PERSONALLY agree with the govt). GEEZ, how disappointed our founders must be.


Anyone trying to violate my Constitutional rights...and they are not going home to their families ever again. lol Lets see how bad they still want to violate our rights then?
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Old 04-25-2022, 08:36 AM
 
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Obviously, as one of Anarchistan's most vocal residents, I oppose this concept entirely and reflexively. Property rights are absolute, as are all other natural individual rights. Condition of existence, not permission from a tyrant.

That said, a recurring theme in this thread and virtually every "should limit a freedom or not?" discussion is the "what about bad actors" red herring. The theory being that even though 99.9% of all firearms are never used in any sort of criminal manner, that 0.1% is THE reason we must have the discussion about draconian laws that concern what 99.9% of the time is a peaceful, nonviolent, voluntary trade according to each party's rational self-interests.

First, the felon. Here's how our laws SHOULD BE so we can dispense with any "but what if they committed a violent crime before, blah blah" nonsense - if they have not paid the debt society feels they owe, they should not be outside of prison. Once outside prison, they are not felons, they are same individual citizen as anyone else. If society is so worried about them being recidivist, then simply...KEEP THEM IN PRISON! This way, no agent of tyranny pulls you over "suspecting that you are a felon." They pull you over for a specific traffic violation that they observed, and assume your innocence in every other possible thing. No background checks needed because...you guessed it....if you are outside of a prison, driving around, well then clearly you are not a felon, because the law works such felons are all inside of prison, and anyone not inside a prison is a properly upstanding, normal citizen.

Next, guilt by association is a fallacy. If a bad actor does a bad thing, that does not confer guilt upon me or anyone else other than the bad actor. Gun control laws punish the law abiding for the sins of the law breaker. Period. Guilt by association, period. Because Bad_Actor_01 did a bad thing with a firearm, all individuals anywhere and everywhere are considered bad actors until they prove they are not under these ridiculous tyrannical gun laws. It flips the rule of law and basic logic upside down and assumes your guilt until you "prove" your innocence by jumping through administrative and legal hoops. Anathema from the opening bell.

Finally, a reminder that we are talking about a natural, individual right. Property rights are absolute and a condition of existence, as are all natural individual rights, including self-ownership and self-defense. None of these things are gifts from government, but a result of the individual having both life and sentience. If you exist, you have these rights. All government can do is become bully and attempt to take those rights away. They GIVE YOU NOTHING. You were born with your rights...always remember that.
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Old 04-25-2022, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Obviously, as one of Anarchistan's most vocal residents, I oppose this concept entirely and reflexively. Property rights are absolute, as are all other natural individual rights. Condition of existence, not permission from a tyrant.

That said, a recurring theme in this thread and virtually every "should limit a freedom or not?" discussion is the "what about bad actors" red herring. The theory being that even though 99.9% of all firearms are never used in any sort of criminal manner, that 0.1% is THE reason we must have the discussion about draconian laws that concern what 99.9% of the time is a peaceful, nonviolent, voluntary trade according to each party's rational self-interests.

First, the felon. Here's how our laws SHOULD BE so we can dispense with any "but what if they committed a violent crime before, blah blah" nonsense - if they have not paid the debt society feels they owe, they should not be outside of prison. Once outside prison, they are not felons, they are same individual citizen as anyone else. If society is so worried about them being recidivist, then simply...KEEP THEM IN PRISON! This way, no agent of tyranny pulls you over "suspecting that you are a felon." They pull you over for a specific traffic violation that they observed, and assume your innocence in every other possible thing. No background checks needed because...you guessed it....if you are outside of a prison, driving around, well then clearly you are not a felon, because the law works such felons are all inside of prison, and anyone not inside a prison is a properly upstanding, normal citizen.

Next, guilt by association is a fallacy. If a bad actor does a bad thing, that does not confer guilt upon me or anyone else other than the bad actor. Gun control laws punish the law abiding for the sins of the law breaker. Period. Guilt by association, period. Because Bad_Actor_01 did a bad thing with a firearm, all individuals anywhere and everywhere are considered bad actors until they prove they are not under these ridiculous tyrannical gun laws. It flips the rule of law and basic logic upside down and assumes your guilt until you "prove" your innocence by jumping through administrative and legal hoops. Anathema from the opening bell.

Finally, a reminder that we are talking about a natural, individual right. Property rights are absolute and a condition of existence, as are all natural individual rights, including self-ownership and self-defense. None of these things are gifts from government, but a result of the individual having both life and sentience. If you exist, you have these rights. All government can do is become bully and attempt to take those rights away. They GIVE YOU NOTHING. You were born with your rights...always remember that.
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Old 04-25-2022, 10:34 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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If you believe in that then build a machine gun take it to your nearest police station tell them it's your constitutional right to own see what happens? You won't because you only say things but never do anything to prove what you believe in. The constitution 2A won't keep you out of prison.
TRANSLATION: Our legislators and police are not obeying the 2nd amendment.
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Old 04-25-2022, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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"NO background checks"

On this, I disagree.

When the police think you committed a crime you are arrested, hence giving up your freedom.

If you HAVE been convicted your "freedom" under, "The RIGHT to keep an bear arms" has been revoked.

I have no problem with a background check, as long as it is instantaneous.

When a police officer stops you for a traffic violation, he can INSTANTLY check your entire criminal record, even from other sates.

There is no reason gun dealers cannot do the same.
Ahhh, but there is a reason........one is a right under the Constitution, the other (the traffic stop) is not.

Same thing as acting in an adult flick which one can do anywhere and being a prostitute which is not necessarily the same. They are both doing sex for money BUT......

one is covered as a right, freedom of speech, under the Constitution......and the other is not.
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