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Old 04-28-2022, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The State Department negotiated withdrawal of troops with the Taliban in 2019 and in 2/2020 agreed to facilitating the release of 5000 Taliban fighters from Afghan prisons and withdrawal of all troops by 5/1/2021.

Trump boasted about troop withdrawal throughout 2020 and claimed most or all would be home for Christmas.

Only 1250 troops ( out of a peak of 110,000 in 2011) remained in country and 5000 Taliban fighters had been released from Afghan prisons, when Biden was inaugurated. Guess Biden could have redeployed a massive number of US troops, as had been the case when Bush 2, Obama and Trump previously attempted to reduce troops and things quickly went sideways.

In exchange, the Taliban agreed to keeping al-Qaeda out.

Afghanistan is a mountainous landlocked country. How exactly were 1250 troops going to remove 20 years of accumulated military equipment, assuming there was ever an intent to do so?

How would the Taliban keep Al-Qaeda out without war toys?

Where was the outrage when the US fought a decade long proxy war with Russia in Afghanistan in the 80’s? The US supplied all the military equipment and defense contractors for training. This attracted jihadists from all over the world, including bin Laden and Al-Qaeda was formed.

When Russia finally pulled out, Russian and US military equipment was left behind and came in handy during the ensuing civil war.
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Old 04-28-2022, 08:55 AM
 
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Would have been cheaper to move all those weapons to Ukraine instead of showering them with money now.
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Old 04-28-2022, 09:00 AM
 
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How many times does it need to be explained? The weaponry was left behind was hardware given to the Afghan military to use in defending itself against the Taliban. We spent billions and billions over twenty years arming and building up that Army only to see them turn and run from combat leaving the weapons to be taken by the Taliban. It is hardly Biden's fault.
"Top generals told lawmakers under oath on Tuesday that they advised President Joe Biden early this year to keep several thousand troops in Afghanistan — directly contradicting the president’s comments in August that no one warned him not to withdraw troops from the country."

I'll take the word of honorable men like General Frank McKenzie, General Scott Miller and General Mark Milley than a career political hack like Joe Biden. One of the big problems with President Biden and his cronies are that they accept accountability for nothing. President Truman used to say "The buck stops here!" That's a concept that's alien to Joe Biden. The fact that people still support this administration defies logic.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...hearing-514491

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Old 04-28-2022, 09:02 AM
 
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We don't know yet, but Ukraine is, so far, one of the few cases where the US has trained and equipped locals to defend themselves where they actually have done so.
“We dont know yet…”
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Old 04-28-2022, 09:02 AM
 
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Congress reached a bipartisan deal to provide lethal and humanitarian aid to Ukraine.

Some seem to believe it’s too much while others belief the US is not doing enough.

Today, Biden is asking Congress for $33 billion for Ukraine. Assuming Congress Critters can refrain from adding unrelated pork, it’s likely Congress will approve.

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Old 04-28-2022, 09:03 AM
 
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Would have been cheaper to move all those weapons to Ukraine instead of showering them with money now.
If only the US government had a crystal ball to know that Ukraine would need those weapons seven months later.

I didn't read the Pentagon report, but was $7B the Kelly Blue Book used value of the equipment, or was that how much the Pentagon paid when it was new?
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Old 04-28-2022, 09:07 AM
 
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"Top generals told lawmakers under oath on Tuesday that they advised President Joe Biden early this year to keep several thousand troops in Afghanistan — directly contradicting the president’s comments in August that no one warned him not to withdraw troops from the country."

I'll take the word of honorable men like General Frank McKenzie, General Scott Miller and General Mark Milley than a career political hack like Joe Biden. One of the big problems with President Biden and his cronies are that they take accountability for nothing. President Truman used to say "The buck stops here!" That's a concept that's alien to Joe Biden. The fact that people still support this administration defies logic.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...hearing-514491
General also claimed he advised the Trump Admin it needed twice the 4500 troops that remained last fall.

Nonetheless, only 1250 troops remained in country in January, 2021 after facilitating the release of 5000 Taliban fighters from Afghan prisons?

No shortage of generals would have preferred the US remain in Afghanistan, forever.
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Old 04-28-2022, 09:10 AM
 
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The State Department negotiated withdrawal of troops with the Taliban in 2019 and in 2/2020 agreed to facilitating the release of 5000 Taliban fighters from Afghan prisons and withdrawal of all troops by 5/1/2021.

Trump boasted about troop withdrawal throughout 2020 and claimed most or all would be home for Christmas.

Only 1250 troops ( out of a peak of 110,000 in 2011) remained in country and 5000 Taliban fighters had been released from Afghan prisons, when Biden was inaugurated. Guess Biden could have redeployed a massive number of US troops, as had been the case when Bush 2, Obama and Trump previously attempted to reduce troops and things quickly went sideways.

In exchange, the Taliban agreed to keeping al-Qaeda out.

Afghanistan is a mountainous landlocked country. How exactly were 1250 troops going to remove 20 years of accumulated military equipment, assuming there was ever an intent to do so?

How would the Taliban keep Al-Qaeda out without war toys?

Where was the outrage when the US fought a decade long proxy war with Russia in Afghanistan in the 80’s? The US supplied all the military equipment and defense contractors for training. This attracted jihadists from all over the world, including bin Laden and Al-Qaeda was formed.

When Russia finally pulled out, Russian and US military equipment was left behind and came in handy during the ensuing civil war.
You fly people there to remove the equipment. Is that difficult or am I missing something?
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Old 04-28-2022, 09:13 AM
 
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^Or you destroy it on the way out with airstrikes so it doesn't fall in the hands of your enemies.
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Old 04-28-2022, 09:17 AM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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You fly people there to remove the equipment. Is that difficult or am I missing something?
You remove the equipment if it is worth removing. We were leaving equipment for the Afghan army. Anything we removed would have to be flown out. People are too quick to jump to conclusions. How much military equipment do you think we left in South Vietnam?
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