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That's all well and good but I can tell you in my household I am the pro abortion one and my wife is the anti abortion one, so diff'rent strokes and all that.
I know, and I am aware that in fact more pro life people are women, than men, actually.
It's going to be a lot of women, who either have strong feelings about motherhood because of their hormones, religion, dedication to family, whatever...and also women who wanted kids but couldn't conceive them... I don't agree with their stance but I get it.
I was not suggesting that women would be withdrawing from love/romance/sex with men en masse in those states restricting or banning abortion.
It's more like just another small factors in a growing pile of large and small factors that might turn some "yes" instances into "no" ones instead. I still think that by far, the internet has been the biggest factor that has changed the question of how many Americans are getting together and having sex (I should say, mainly, "forming relationships." That might be a more accurate way to put it.)
I mean, it brought us online dating, but I think we can all agree that online dating pretty much sucks. I think too many men went into it thinking, "porn? This is like porn, yes? Maybe?" like ready to get dirty and act badly right from the get-go and that has prevented a lot of more decent women from even wanting to try it, especially those with other options...and driven plenty of us away from it in disgust and frustration. Leaving some number of men clueless about what they did wrong, or clueless about why they can't seem to get what they want out of it, even if they never behaved badly themselves.
Right now, wedding venues are booked to the brim, at rates wedding planners say haven't existed since the end of WWII when the soldiers came home to marry.
So no, men aren't cursed to sexless loneliness. They're marrying at rates we haven't seen in a long time.
You need an emotional suit of armor about three inches thick when attempting to deal romantically/intimately with the cold and aloof harpies of today. Is it even worth it?
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Lol. Hilarious. I could give two sh**s when people cry about men being dogs. Think I’ve known like one in 40 years. It’s all horse manure. I’ve been cheated on 5 different times by five different women throughout my years. Just about all of the men I have known throughout my lifetime have been wonderful, caring, loving, good hearted people that usually wanted a committed loving relationship. I am talking strictly about women in the singles realm. I am not referring to women who are not in the singles realm. Women in the singles realm in America tend to be rather stuck up, jaded, disdainful, and void of trust. What does Stone all over the dating sites soaking up all the attention. Lmao. Slice and dice it as you wish. There is not a politically correct bone in my body. Men get a bad rep here in America. It’s absolute horse manure, save for some. That I realize. But we all know every divorce that has ever occurred is the fault of the guy. We all realize that. Lol
Been married 33 years to the same woman. Hasn't been easy, but we usually get along.
Worked in a female dominated job for 26 years.
If the wife weren't in the picture, I sure as he'll wouldn't tie up with an American female. I want a woman not a wannabe man that hates men and denigates them at every opportunity.
Getting a mail order bride from overseas is very much an option. I traveled the world in the military, and it was amazing to find women in places like Australia, the UK, Italy as well as eastern Europe and Asia that treasure American men in part because American men treat them so much better than their domestic models.
If an American man wants a loving, supportive wife, he better shop for a foreign made brand. The domestic supply should be sent back to the manufacturer for warranty work because they're defective.
Been married 33 years to the same woman. Hasn't been easy, but we usually get along.
Worked in a female dominated job for 26 years.
If the wife weren't in the picture, I sure as he'll wouldn't tie up with an American female. I want a woman not a wannabe man that hates men and denigates them at every opportunity.
Getting a mail order bride from overseas is very much an option. I traveled the world in the military, and it was amazing to find women in places like Australia, the UK, Italy as well as eastern Europe and Asia that treasure American men in part because American men treat them so much better than their domestic models.
If an American man wants a loving, supportive wife, he better shop for a foreign made brand. The domestic supply should be sent back to the manufacturer for warranty work because they're defective.
Critics say that men who are into foreign women just want one that is submissive that we can control. Well we would like one that is appreciative instead of entitled. The problem isn't women, it's the culture. Western culture breeds entitlement. Bring a foreign woman to America and let her be around American women for long enough and subject to American media, especially pop culture (The View, etc.) and it can cause that same attitude.
I support personal choice and freedom in theory, but myself am quite a bit more socially conservative. I find western culture a bit too loud, cocky, and in your face for my personal taste. It's also a bit heavy on hedonism. I'm a fairly boring guy and would rather work less, live minimalist, and have more time off. For me the best things in life don't cost a ton of money, aside from staring at a kilogram Germania silver bar or a one ounce gold buffalo, or melting indium on the stove or gallium on a hot summer day.
The post below mine had me thinking this may be part of the reason there is a real estate shortage as well, more single people owning homes. \/\/\/\/
Right now, wedding venues are booked to the brim, at rates wedding planners say haven't existed since the end of WWII when the soldiers came home to marry.
So no, men aren't cursed to sexless loneliness. They're marrying at rates we haven't seen in a long time.
Been married 33 years to the same woman. Hasn't been easy, but we usually get along.
Worked in a female dominated job for 26 years.
If the wife weren't in the picture, I sure as he'll wouldn't tie up with an American female. I want a woman not a wannabe man that hates men and denigates them at every opportunity.
Getting a mail order bride from overseas is very much an option. I traveled the world in the military, and it was amazing to find women in places like Australia, the UK, Italy as well as eastern Europe and Asia that treasure American men in part because American men treat them so much better than their domestic models.
If an American man wants a loving, supportive wife, he better shop for a foreign made brand. The domestic supply should be sent back to the manufacturer for warranty work because they're defective.
Women have seen too much of that Kardashian BS. You dont see how much of their private lives are in shambles. Women just look at the monetary, materialistic part of it. Love doesnt play into that.
Right now, wedding venues are booked to the brim, at rates wedding planners say haven't existed since the end of WWII when the soldiers came home to marry.
So no, men aren't cursed to sexless loneliness. They're marrying at rates we haven't seen in a long time.
The family divorce courts will be booked to the brim as well. Assuming all married men aren’t lonely or sexless is hilarious.
A piece of paper marriage license doesn’t guarantee anything but a tax credit.
Ya gotta love when people tell you exactly who they are.
Guys like, "I'd rather buy a trafficked human from a desperate third world country than be expected to treat an American woman like a person rather than a defective product for sale."
You want to be appreciated? Man, I wonder how that's gotta feel.
And then you call us entitled.
Not to mention the last man who complained to my face in person about not getting enough sex, and not being respected, wanted or appreciated was also the dude who expected to sit around getting high and drunk, playing video games and surfing porn all day, and being a violent jerk to everyone in the household.
I wasn't content living with someone who was so miserable and making everyone else miserable, and that's how I got that label of selfish, entitled, unappreciative woman.
My second husband could tell a very different story, but it would never be louder than the narrative of grievance from my first. Who indeed remains sexless and angry and lonely to this day. Even got turned down by a pill addicted prostitute.
Ya gotta love when people tell you exactly who they are.
Guys like, "I'd rather buy a trafficked human from a desperate third world country than be expected to treat an American woman like a person rather than a defective product for sale."
More like, “I’d rather date young attractive women who treat me well while relaxing on a foreign beach instead of cold, old, fat, overweight, overbearing, obese feminists who demand I'm 6'3", a full time comedian, personal chef, and Jeff Bezos as they create Onlyfans accounts between nail salon jobs."
Trump, Nicolas Cage, and George Clooney are all married to foreign born women, but I guess they were all just poverty stricken human sex trafficked victims.
Dating is a free market, supply and demand. And that works for passports too..
More like, “I’d rather date young attractive women who treat me well while relaxing on a foreign beach instead of old, fat, overweight, overbearing, obese feminists who demand I'm 6'3", a full time comedian, personal chef, and Jeff Bezos as they create Onlyfans accounts between jobs."
Trump, Nicolas Cage, and George Clooney are all married to foreign born women, but I guess they were all just poverty stricken human sex trafficked victims.
Dating is a free market, supply and demand. And that works for passports too..
Indeed it is a free market.
I'm glad you brought that up.
But a lot of men don't see the "market" concept the same way that women do. Well. Some women, some men. But I see guys acting as though men are the buyers, women are the product, and the internet is the marketplace. No view as to who the seller might be, any more than one worries that much about who the actual seller is of a product on Amazon. I mean, we all say, "I bought that on Amazon" and not, "I bought that from xyzstore on Amazon."
What makes more sense to me, is something closer to like, Pawn Stars. Imagine two women walk into the pawn shop. Each one has a Thing that they are willing to make a deal and sell. One of them has no clue what it is, what it's worth, and she's desperate to simply sell it because she needs money. Any money. The guy behind the counter has the upper hand and he's gonna probably get a damn good deal. Other woman comes in, knows very well what she's got, and if he won't offer what she wants for it, she really is content to hold onto it, until and unless she finds a buyer who can meet her price. She's in no rush and isn't desperate. (Though the guy behind the counter might wonder, if she isn't desperate, why is she bothering with a pawn shop...well, she gave him a chance, but when it comes to negotiations, you win if you walk away from the table happy with the deal.)
If it's a marketplace, women are not the products, we're the sellers, if men are making buyers of themselves. Our time, attention, affection, possibly even our lives, futures and families could be said to be the "product." There are still plenty of women out there who have no idea what it is they have to offer and no idea what it's really worth. But once we do...most of us are in fact perfectly content walking away from the table than settling for a bad deal. And most of us have no shortage of eager buyers interested in what we have to offer. Distasteful as the commodification language is here, if you're gonna use it, you could at least use it a bit more accurately.
But the fact is, what you expect is what you're likely to find. And if you experience repeat after repeat of the same result, you really should be thinking about why. If you insist that it isn't you, it's the world you live in and all the other people around you well...good luck with that. You're more likely than not, going to have a bad time. But as I always say...it's your life.
If you have the money, by all means, get you a mail order bride. Just don't be shocked when she acclimates to the culture and realizes she could do better. Or you could go live somewhere else, again, if you have the means. Ain't nobody holding a gun to your head and making you (any of you, rhetorical "you") stay here.
The really wrong part about these perspectives from guys is the judgment of millions of women. I mean, just about every woman in America has had negative experiences with men. I know I have. But I sure as hell don't judge all men, or all American men, based on those experiences. Hell, I'm even pretty forgiving of the specific men who did me wrong. I don't believe it defines them. I had a right to step away, but I hope and assume that there's more to who they are and maybe they'll have a better connection with someone else one day. Not my problem or my business. I know tons of fantastic American men. And women.
But bitter men seem mad that women here have any agency, whereas women just expect you to use yours better than ya do.
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