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Old 07-29-2022, 07:29 AM
 
Location: The Piedmont of North Carolina
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-96-corrupted/

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Research for the study shows that the 96 percent corruption is because thestations’ measurements are tainted by the effects of urbanization – or heat produced because of their close proximity to asphalt, machinery, and other heat-producing, heat-trapping, or heat-accentuating objects.

The Heartland Institute compiled the report using satellite and in-person surveys of NOAA weather stations that contribute to the “official” land temperatures in the United States.

“With a 96 percent warm-bias in U.S. temperature measurements, it is impossible to use any statistical methods to derive an accurate climate trend for the U.S.” Heartland Institute Senior Fellow Anthony Watts, who directed the study, said is the study announcement distributed to the press. “Data from the stations that have not been corrupted by faulty placement show a rate of warming in the United States reduced by almost half compared to all stations.
I am all for taking reasonable actions to protect our environment, but I have never believed that man was causing the Earth to warm….
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Old 07-29-2022, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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It would seem that all these asphalt, machinery, and other heat-producing, heat-trapping, or heat-accentuating objects are artificially warming our environment.

What would be the point of measuring the temperature in upstate NY and saying that is the temp in NYC? The temp is the temp in any given location. Asphalt and concrete make it hotter. That is no surprise.
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Old 07-29-2022, 07:38 AM
 
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NOAA also had to recall all their Climate Change testing because the data was all manipulated through rounding to show climate change was happening.
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Old 07-29-2022, 08:55 AM
 
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It would seem that all these asphalt, machinery, and other heat-producing, heat-trapping, or heat-accentuating objects are artificially warming our environment.

What would be the point of measuring the temperature in upstate NY and saying that is the temp in NYC? The temp is the temp in any given location. Asphalt and concrete make it hotter. That is no surprise.
Try to keep up …. it’s called FRAUD. You’re baking a cake …. you set your thermometer near the stove where it’s much warmer than the rest of the house, and then you claim that reading is the temperature of the entire house.

Now, for those who don’t have trouble processing basic information, this is what they have been doing for a long time now, and this phenomenon even has a name. It’s called the “Urban Heat Island Effect”. In densely packed urban cities where natural landscape and greenery has all but totally disappeared and replaced by asphalt roads, concrete and steel buildings, and heavy concentrations of people packed tight, streets jam packed with cars and traffic congestion, temperatures can be as much as 7+ degrees hotter than outlying areas beyond the city limits. This continues at night, as heat is absorbed by the asphalt, concrete and steel during the daylight hours and radiates throughout the night, generating temperatures as much as 5+ degrees hotter than the surrounding areas. These temperatures have no more of a relationship or effect on global temperatures than a campfire in upstate New York can warm residents of New Jersey.

Yet, these lying criminals take the temperatures recorded, say in 1900 NYC when horse and buggy was the main transportation (Henry Ford’s first automobile was still 8 years away, and New York city’s first skyscraper was constructed in 1901), and compare it to 2022, jam packed with skyscrapers, automobiles, and an exponentially larger concentration of people, modern heating and air conditioning, and electricity generation, and claim the 7 degree difference in temperatures is proof of “global warming”.

The reality is, you have warmer cities, while the temps in countryside are relatively unchanged. That’s the point here … if you are talking about measuring ambient temperatures (global temperatures) you don’t take your measurements next to a campfire. How difficult is this really?

I suppose some people just love to be lied to and defrauded. I don’t understand why, but that appears to be the situation.
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Old 07-29-2022, 09:00 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Well when we were going to "freeze to death" those weather monitoring stations were all placed in the shade.

I imagine they are all out in the sun now since we're going to fry to death.
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Old 07-29-2022, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-96-corrupted/

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I am all for taking reasonable actions to protect our environment, but I have never believed that man was causing the Earth to warm….
We aren't.
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Old 07-29-2022, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Try to keep up …. it’s called FRAUD. You’re baking a cake …. you set your thermometer near the stove where it’s much warmer than the rest of the house, and then you claim that reading is the temperature of the entire house.

Now, for those who don’t have trouble processing basic information, this is what they have been doing for a long time now, and this phenomenon even has a name. It’s called the “Urban Heat Island Effect”. In densely packed urban cities where natural landscape and greenery has all but totally disappeared and replaced by asphalt roads, concrete and steel buildings, and heavy concentrations of people packed tight, streets jam packed with cars and traffic congestion, temperatures can be as much as 7+ degrees hotter than outlying areas beyond the city limits. This continues at night, as heat is absorbed by the asphalt, concrete and steel during the daylight hours and radiates throughout the night, generating temperatures as much as 5+ degrees hotter than the surrounding areas. These temperatures have no more of a relationship or effect on global temperatures than a campfire in upstate New York can warm residents of New Jersey.

Yet, these lying criminals take the temperatures recorded, say in 1900 NYC when horse and buggy was the main transportation (Henry Ford’s first automobile was still 8 years away, and New York city’s first skyscraper was constructed in 1901), and compare it to 2022, jam packed with skyscrapers, automobiles, and an exponentially larger concentration of people, modern heating and air conditioning, and electricity generation, and claim the 7 degree difference in temperatures is proof of “global warming”.

The reality is, you have warmer cities, while the temps in countryside are relatively unchanged. That’s the point here … if you are talking about measuring ambient temperatures (global temperatures) you don’t take your measurements next to a campfire. How difficult is this really?

I suppose some people just love to be lied to and defrauded. I don’t understand why, but that appears to be the situation.
It seems you would expect to take all temperature measurements out in the shaded woods. No, you take them from all kinds of environments, including in the concrete cities as well as in the wooded rural areas... and average them.

Why would anyone compare the average temp of 1900 NYC with the average temp of today's concrete and steel NYC? That has nothing to do with global averages.
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Old 07-29-2022, 11:50 AM
 
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It seems you would expect to take all temperature measurements out in the shaded woods. No, you take them from all kinds of environments, including in the concrete cities as well as in the wooded rural areas... and average them.

Why would anyone compare the average temp of 1900 NYC with the average temp of today's concrete and steel NYC? That has nothing to do with global averages.
That’s too much processing power for them.
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Old 07-29-2022, 11:54 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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I recall reading about this years ago in an article by a couple of meteorologists. And since then, nothing has changed... the fraud continues.
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Old 07-29-2022, 12:03 PM
 
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It seems you would expect to take all temperature measurements out in the shaded woods. No, you take them from all kinds of environments, including in the concrete cities as well as in the wooded rural areas... and average them.

Why would anyone compare the average temp of 1900 NYC with the average temp of today's concrete and steel NYC? That has nothing to do with global averages.
Because we are talking about global effects, not the increase in local effects. If you took two measurements in 1900, one in upstate ny and one in nyc and get average X, then you took measurements in the same locations 100 years later and get average Y, where Y > X, now you need to dig deeper. If the upstate NY temp reading was the same for both time periods but only the nyc temp reading increased, then obviously your average will increase, but is that increase in average a sign of a macro warming trend?

An increase in average by itself with no context is not a useful measure of anything from the standpoint of establishing causal relationships, which is why many things that we track over time don't use averages (e.g. median home prices).
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