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If you promote 20 out of 25, I think someone is going to make the assumption that you support the Nazi party.
I do not see how this can be painted over by saying that I disagree with their politics.
Nothing to do with a person' religion or heritage.
If you promote 20 out of 25 of the Nazi party platform points, I think it is justified to say that such a person is promoting Nazi ideals.
This thread is going off the rails faster than a Russian train carrying tanks to Ukraine, but your math is off - and you might also look into what policies the Nazis actually carried out. In particular, as regards the "socialism" bit. If you read some history, you'd know that as soon as the Bohemian corporal was in power, he cleansed the party of of socialists, formed a strong alliance with the industrialists and banned worker rights (like the right to strike). Publicly held organizations - like the railroads - were privatized. (The first known use of the phrase "privatization" comes from an article describing the Nazi's policies.)
Nazi Germany completely failed to manage their wartime economy - the US economy, in comparison, was government-controlled to a much higher degree during WWII. The Nazis were so bad at socialism that German industrialists (who still owned and managed their factories, thankyouverymuch) got themselves an invite to Nuremberg.
If you promote 20 out of 25, I think someone is going to make the assumption that you support the Nazi party.
I do not see how this can be painted over by saying that I disagree with their politics.
Nothing to do with a person' religion or heritage.
If you promote 20 out of 25 of the Nazi party platform points, I think it is justified to say that such a person is promoting Nazi ideals.
Are you referring to the Ukrainian government supposedly supporting the 25 point program of the NSDAP or the Ukrainian " far right " like f.ex UNA-UNSO ?
Because in the case of the Ukrainian government I think it's safe to say that point 4 of the NSDAP program automatically disqualifies it from being Nazi , whereas in the case of organizations like UNA-UNSO I can't make such an unambiguous claim , though nothing on their English translated site I found hints at anything resembling this party platform .
That being typed one cannot define an entire ideology by merely pointing to a party program which never was fully implemented to begin with , not to mention the fact that no Ukrainian nationalist organization I'm aware of has ever copied the NSDAP's 25 point program as such .
All in all I must reiterate my statement of it being completely ludicrous to refer to either the Ukrainian government or even the " far right " as being Nazis , in spite of the fact that I very much consider their approach to the current conflict to be just as undesirable as that of their counterparts in Moscow , Brussels , and Washington D.C. .
Although I actually have no clue where the Russian/European/American " far right " stands with respect to this conflict , but I must digress .
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I have heard many times in recent weeks the claim that ukraine has become nazi, and that is being used as the excuse for invading them. I was watching today english translations of russian widows lamenting the deaths of their husbands fighting those nazis.
One of my neighbors loves bernie sanders, he quotes sanders a lot. Every time i see him quoting sanders it is routinely promoting political policies from the 1930 nazi platform. So i have shown him that everything he is saying is purely from the 1930 nazi platform. He insists that sanders is not a nazi, even though everything coming from his mouth is expressing the nazi platform. The only current politician that i see who is currently pushing the old nazi platform is that one individual. It blew me away the first time that i googled the nazi platform and read it comparing the ideas of bernie sanders to the ideas of hitler.
is that really what is motivating the russian invasion?
definitely,Putin has always claimed Neo NAZI in Ukraine,he must liberate the Ukrainians from Neo Nazi.
Even if Ukraine were to be run by Nazis, it's none of Russia's concern, unless Ukraine's military invades Russia. Ukraine can become a communist country, and it's still none of Russia's damn business.
I have heard many times in recent weeks the claim that Ukraine has become Nazi, and that is being used as the excuse for invading them. I was watching today English translations of Russian widows lamenting the deaths of their husbands fighting those Nazis.
One of my neighbors loves Bernie Sanders, he quotes Sanders a lot. Every time I see him quoting Sanders it is routinely promoting political policies from the 1930 Nazi platform. So I have shown him that everything he is saying is purely from the 1930 Nazi platform. He insists that Sanders is not a Nazi, even though everything coming from his mouth is expressing the Nazi platform. The only current politician that I see who is currently pushing the old Nazi platform is that one individual. It blew me away the first time that I googled the Nazi platform and read it comparing the ideas of Bernie Sanders to the ideas of Hitler.
Is that really what is motivating the Russian invasion?
They already were before this war even started....far right Neo nazi .....Azov
Jeez enough with the Nazi talk? All of a sudden Nazi has surpassed Racist as the catchall phrase that one uses to label their enemy. Like the word racist, it’s watered down and means little. Both over saturated words.
Jeez enough with the Nazi talk? All of a sudden Nazi has surpassed Racist as the catchall phrase that one uses to label their enemy. Like the word racist, it’s watered down and means little. Both over saturated words.
Do a little reading....it's not just a "label" being thrown around.
The Azov Battalion, part of the National Guard of Ukraine really are neo-nazi's.
I have heard many times in recent weeks the claim that Ukraine has become Nazi, and that is being used as the excuse for invading them. I was watching today English translations of Russian widows lamenting the deaths of their husbands fighting those Nazis.
One of my neighbors loves Bernie Sanders, he quotes Sanders a lot. Every time I see him quoting Sanders it is routinely promoting political policies from the 1930 Nazi platform. So I have shown him that everything he is saying is purely from the 1930 Nazi platform. He insists that Sanders is not a Nazi, even though everything coming from his mouth is expressing the Nazi platform. The only current politician that I see who is currently pushing the old Nazi platform is that one individual. It blew me away the first time that I googled the Nazi platform and read it comparing the ideas of Bernie Sanders to the ideas of Hitler.
Is that really what is motivating the Russian invasion?
That's what the Russians would like for you to believe.
Yes Ukraine has neo-Nazis, the liberal media was fascinated with reporting about it before Ukraine became the media darling.
But having a country full of neo-Nazis doesn’t justify being invaded.
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