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the problem is that no one can claim for certain what will prompt them to use nukes. if we knew, there'd be nothing to discuss.
If we let them win they certainly won't use nukes. Ukraine is not a NATO country so letting Russia take it wouldn't make him think NATO counties were up for grabs like Georgia and Chechnya were. We let Sweden and Finland into NATO and then what is left for Russia to take? Afghanistan again? Moldova? Who cares about Moldova - there are already Russians there.
If we let them win they certainly won't use nukes. Ukraine is not a NATO country so letting Russia take it wouldn't make him think NATO counties were up for grabs like Georgia and Chechnya were. We let Sweden and Finland into NATO and then what is left for Russia to take? Afghanistan again? Moldova? Who cares about Moldova - there are already Russians there.
oh, agreed. if we stand back and let them have their way, we can be assured they won't use nukes. but is that really a precedent we want to set?
as far as where they might attack next, i just saw this on youtube news last night.
Yes. What is the point of NATO if you treat every country on earth as if it is a part of NATO?
Yep. Letting Putin take a non NATO country will not lead him to attack NATO. If he does he will be quickly defeated. NATO has a 4 million man army. That's 4 times more than Russia. Are there any non NATO countries that we care about that Putin could also attack? He can't get to Ireland, Austria or Switzerland. Azerbaijan? Do we care about it?
I said within 6 months but it was probably certain before the war ever started.
Ok, I will get to this in a second.
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The US never had a real plan to replace the Taliban (and likely doesnt have the capability to do so). That was never a priority, the priority was to spend as much as possible for as long as possible. There was no other purpose to the invasion of Afghanistan beyond spending money.
You would have done a lot of damage to Afgahnistan and the Taliban, an entity that it is completely known that they had nothing to do with 9/11? Just lash out and kill as many people as possible even though they never did anything to the US and were never a threat to the US?
Not sure why you would say something so absolutely wrong as this. They had everything to do with 9/11. Who do you think was providing safe harbor to Al Q'ada, at that time? It sure wasn't Saudi Arabia, where (and still are) they were killing them, every time they found them. (Including one they dismembered at an embassy.)
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North Korea hasnt attacked anyone in a long time. It isnt a real threat. But that doesnt mean the US wouldnt invade it just to make war. But the Nuke helps keep the US at bay. ... But the Ukraine isnt the US order even a member of NATO (not that I care who is or isnt a member of NATO). It isnt something that the US should take on risk to the US for.
This is somewhere between woke and clueless. North Korea is pretty self explanatory (if you have the slightest of knowledge of international trade, among the axis of evil), and I have discussed the reasons for the war in Ukraine recently, so I won't bother repeating myself.
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I dont necessarily disagree with regards to Putin invading Ukraine and that who is in the White House influenced that.
Well, at least you got one thing right.
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Out of curiosity, when do you think that the US realized that the Taliban was going to take over the government of Afgahnistan when/if the US military left?
OK. The 6 months.
This is what I thought you meant, when you said 6 months.
My mistake.
Yes. Initial estimates were, it would take 6 months or so for the Taliban to reestablish de-facto rule.
When the first state capital fell, it was obvious we were wrong, and we should have reversed course, right then. Continuing with the withdraw was seriously stupid, after that point, as it could only result in disaster, but a weak, and frankly, uncaring Administration and a Deep State that is absolutely working against American interests, insured the disaster would happen.
Some of you guys are really getting ahead of yourselves with WW3 talk. Russia will only be digging a deeper hole for itself if they used tactical nukes in Ukraine. Not even the Chinese will stand with them. There will be a global outcry and reaction unlike you've even seen before, ...
Well, at least you would hope. History has shown, though, that this isn't the case.
Draw a Red Line, and when evil crosses it, draw another one ...
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If we let them win they certainly won't use nukes. Ukraine is not a NATO country so letting Russia take it wouldn't make him think NATO counties were up for grabs like Georgia and Chechnya were. We let Sweden and Finland into NATO and then what is left for Russia to take? Afghanistan again? Moldova? Who cares about Moldova - there are already Russians there.
Not quite correct. He has already said, if Sweden and Finland join NATO, he will nuke them.
As has been pointed out: Ukraine is of strategic value.
It isn't NATO, but we need to continue the fight.
There are a couple of things worse than going to war ... and failure to fight leads to them.
we're not doing that, though. if we were, we'd have troops on the ground in ukr.
Is there a point where you think the US should send soldiers to Ukraine?
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