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Old 05-12-2022, 07:59 AM
 
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Yes, there is a legal reason to disclose against your will - I won't let you onto my property if you don't.
Doesn't fly in the public sector. They can't discriminate.

 
Old 05-12-2022, 08:00 AM
 
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So, our friend who got pregnant after a tubal ligation made the choice to get pregnant? Hardly.
How soon after the supposed ligation? Just like with men, a vasectomy isn't immediately effective.
 
Old 05-12-2022, 08:01 AM
 
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There's always the morning after pill, which is much cheaper than an abortion. This all goes back to the point that people do have many options absent abortion.
Exactly.
 
Old 05-12-2022, 08:03 AM
 
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I guess it could be said that you have a choice when you have sex and “ya stand by your convictions” and recognize that having sex can cause a baby to be created and you strongly face the consequences of pregnancy.
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The reason why a person does or does not vaccinate is their business too.
You say you’re pro choice in the first trimester if that’s the case but these statements seem to say the opposite. Which is it you seem to advocate for both positions
 
Old 05-12-2022, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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How soon after the supposed ligation? Just like with men, a vasectomy isn't immediately effective.

It doesn't even matter. Everyone who's ever had a tubal or gotten snipped knows while it's extremely effective, it's never 100%.

They know there's always a chance - no matter how slim.

I would bet everyone knows at least one person who's had a pregnancy occur after one of these procedures.
 
Old 05-12-2022, 08:04 AM
 
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Yep. 95% of unintended pregnancies are due to women VOLUNTARILY participating in unprotected sex. What did they think was going to happen as a result???
If it is unintended, as you stated, they clearly and obviously didn't THINK they would get pregnant. Maybe they thought they couldn't get pregnant, they wouldn't get pregnant, they shouldn't get pregnant, they really deep down inside wanted to get pregnant but couldn't admit it.
More fool them - but it certainly was not the plan.
Unintended means they had no intention.
I don't know how you could spin it any other way.
 
Old 05-12-2022, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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They had the freedom to use birth control and didn't. THAT'S when they made their choice.

95% of unintended pregnancies are due to women VOLUNTARILY participating in unprotected sex. What did they think was going to happen as a result???
100% of pregnancies other than IVF are due to men participating in unprotected sex. Your point...?
 
Old 05-12-2022, 08:14 AM
 
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You say you’re pro choice in the first trimester if that’s the case but these statements seem to say the opposite. Which is it you seem to advocate for both positions
I absolutely am pro choice for the first trimester. My comments are pointing out the disconnect in your arguments concerning bodily autonomy. You seem to whole heartedly support abortion but not vaccine choice.

You seem very flippant and dismissive of people’s right to choose to having things injected into their bodies against their will or via coercion but feel so strongly about the right to abortion without any interference. I hope you’ll really think about it. It’s not a consistent position and is not in line with being pro bodily autonomy or pro choice.
 
Old 05-12-2022, 08:20 AM
 
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If it is unintended, as you stated, they clearly and obviously didn't THINK they would get pregnant. Maybe they thought they couldn't get pregnant, they wouldn't get pregnant, they shouldn't get pregnant, they really deep down inside wanted to get pregnant but couldn't admit it.
More fool them - but it certainly was not the plan.
Unintended means they had no intention.
I don't know how you could spin it any other way.
Using no birth control and still having sex means no other thing. Pregnancy was a CHOICE they already made.
 
Old 05-12-2022, 08:22 AM
 
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100% of pregnancies other than IVF are due to men participating in unprotected sex. Your point...?
If women DON'T want a pregnancy, they ACT to prevent it. WHY is that NOT happening???
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