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View Poll Results: Do you think a woman should be put to death for having an abortion, regardless of her reason or circ
YES 5 4.46%
NO 107 95.54%
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Old 05-06-2022, 02:54 PM
 
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I don' see many rational fair minded people thinking that this should happen.
You think the far Right is rational or fair minded? Not in the least.

 
Old 05-06-2022, 02:56 PM
 
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Texas has a bill https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/86...f/HB00896I.pdf
IT would ban any abortion post fertilization with the death penalty for the woman and any doctor for assisting. It also bans the morning after pill, and IVF
Pretty sure that bill 896 was shot down in 2019.
 
Old 05-06-2022, 02:57 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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You think the far Right is rational or fair minded? Not in the least.
You think the far left is rational or fair minded?

Boys menstruate?
Math is racist?


LOL, I could go on and on. You've got crazy folks on either end.
 
Old 05-06-2022, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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2 states out of 50? How many are really onboard? Crazy bills are introduced all the time. My point was that I think most rational people aren't going to be ok with the death penalty for an abortion.

You've got crazy outliers on either side of any a given issue.
2 states so far. There will be others along soon, all trying to out-do each other in how restrictive and draconian they can get. Watch the news in the next few weeks.


Here's a list of what some other states are working on.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...hAIN_oeUC8Kc0W
 
Old 05-06-2022, 03:02 PM
 
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You think the far left is rational or fair minded?

Boys menstruate?
Math is racist?


LOL, I could go on and on. You've got crazy folks on either end.
Whataboutism is the hallmark of a poorly constructed argument.
 
Old 05-06-2022, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Pretty sure that bill 896 was shot down in 2019.
It was left pending in committee. The LA bill is out of committee and is headed to the floor for debate on the 12th.
 
Old 05-06-2022, 03:03 PM
 
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You think the far Right is rational or fair minded? Not in the least.
And nether is the Left.
 
Old 05-06-2022, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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The choice folks say that women don't abort fully developed and viable unborn babies, unless it is a medical emergency (such as danger to the life of the mother.)

The life folks say that is baloney and these women are having babies ghoulishly murdered up to birth.

OK. Once again I say...let's make laws that call the bluff.

Mifepristone and misoprostol continue to be legal. This terminates pregnancy up to 12 weeks. The surgical form of abortion becomes illegal unless done in a hospital setting for medical emergency reasons. If it is possible in those cases to save the lives of both mother and child, then that's the aim.

No more "late term abortions for the convenience of women" or anything like that.

No more arguments about miscarriages (which almost always happen by 6 weeks) being possibly "suspicious." By 12 weeks, nobody is even gonna know a woman is pregnant unless she tells them.

No more argument over whether there should be exceptions for rape or incest. Or if so, how to get around all the "he said/she said" where people too often don't believe victims anyways. No worries about that if we just legislate based on procedure type.

Are any states proposing something like this? Is literally anyone interested in the easiest solution that would probably satisfy more people on both sides than any other? Or is the point just a winner takes all hissy-fit deathmatch?

'Cause it sure as hell seems to me that what most folks in these arguments are invested in more than anything, is pointing their finger at those on the other side and accusing them of being evil monsters. The left is pointing at the right saying they don't care if women die of ectopic pregnancies or if 11 year olds get raped and have to give birth. The right is pointing at the left saying we are happy about fully or nearly full grown babies being ripped apart and viciously murdered. Seems to me that the part that has become more important than the actual subject at hand, is justifying hatred of the "other side."

You hate women!
You hate babies!


Until anyone is willing to look at rational compromises, the most meaningful overall result is just yet another thing over which to tear this country apart. Hell there have been a few posters who openly admit that's what they want.

They ought to really stop claiming to love America, though. That's for damn sure.
 
Old 05-06-2022, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Originally Posted by Sonic_Spork View Post
The choice folks say that women don't abort fully developed and viable unborn babies, unless it is a medical emergency (such as danger to the life of the mother.)

The life folks say that is baloney and these women are having babies ghoulishly murdered up to birth.

OK. Once again I say...let's make laws that call the bluff.

Mifepristone and misoprostol continue to be legal. This terminates pregnancy up to 12 weeks. The surgical form of abortion becomes illegal unless done in a hospital setting for medical emergency reasons. If it is possible in those cases to save the lives of both mother and child, then that's the aim.

No more "late term abortions for the convenience of women" or anything like that.

No more arguments about miscarriages (which almost always happen by 6 weeks) being possibly "suspicious." By 12 weeks, nobody is even gonna know a woman is pregnant unless she tells them.

No more argument over whether there should be exceptions for rape or incest. Or if so, how to get around all the "he said/she said" where people too often don't believe victims anyways. No worries about that if we just legislate based on procedure type.

Are any states proposing something like this? Is literally anyone interested in the easiest solution that would probably satisfy more people on both sides than any other? Or is the point just a winner takes all hissy-fit deathmatch?

'Cause it sure as hell seems to me that what most folks in these arguments are invested in more than anything, is pointing their finger at those on the other side and accusing them of being evil monsters. The left is pointing at the right saying they don't care if women die of ectopic pregnancies or if 11 year olds get raped and have to give birth. The right is pointing at the left saying we are happy about fully or nearly full grown babies being ripped apart and viciously murdered. Seems to me that the part that has become more important than the actual subject at hand, is justifying hatred of the "other side."

You hate women!
You hate babies!


Until anyone is willing to look at rational compromises, the most meaningful overall result is just yet another thing over which to tear this country apart. Hell there have been a few posters who openly admit that's what they want.

They ought to really stop claiming to love America, though. That's for damn sure.
Go tell this to the legislators in Lousiana and Texas. And all the other states where they are trying to out-do each other with unreasonable restrictions on women.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...hAIN_oeUC8Kc0W

I agree with you that reasonable laws are needed. Most thinking people would agree with that. But look at what some of these state legislators are trying to do If Roe v Wade is overturned.
 
Old 05-06-2022, 03:16 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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Whataboutism is the hallmark of a poorly constructed argument.
LOL, okay.

Dropping the whataboutism is the hallmark of poorly constructed argument.
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