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Old 05-09-2022, 01:59 PM
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So there isn't even 60% support to keep Roe let alone the supposed 70% that's been touted.
I think you missed the argument.

The midwest is WAY over-represented in the Senate, with far fewer citizens being represented by each of their senators.

So the senate dilutes the representation of people who want to keep Roe V Wade, for example, by giving All of California the same number of votes that North Dakota has.

The senate doesn't fairly represent America.

 
Old 05-09-2022, 02:04 PM
 
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Hey, I'm sorry you don't understand that in medical terms abortion is not a treatment.

Keep posting away.
WHO CARES? Whether abortion is a treatment or a procedure or whatever other word you want to use, it is not pertinent to the issue of whether or not women should be allowed to choose abortion. Do you really think that someone who is Pro Choice is gonna be swayed by your argument that abortion is not a “treatment” when they come down on the side of it being a RIGHT? And that banning it removes the RIGHT to women having bodily autonomy? Your argument is moot regardless of whatever definition is used.
 
Old 05-09-2022, 02:07 PM
 
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I think you missed the argument.

The midwest is WAY over-represented in the Senate, with far fewer citizens being represented by each of their senators.

So the senate dilutes the representation of people who want to keep Roe V Wade, for example, by giving All of California the same number of votes that North Dakota has.

The senate doesn't fairly represent America.
Then look at the ABC/Washington Post Poll. Americans' preference on elective convenience abortion?

48% keep it legal
45% make it illegal

Still doesn't get to that needed 60% level of support.
 
Old 05-09-2022, 02:09 PM
 
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I cannot speak for the other party, but according to my dictionary;

Treatment: The use of an agent, procedure, or regimen, such as a drug, surgery, or exercise, in an attempt to cure or mitigate a disease, condition, or injury.

Now, if anyone is trying to suggest that an abortion is a form of medical treatment, they would be incorrect. Abortion is a procedure, not a treatment.
Please explain why the distinction matters in the slightest. From what I can tell it does not other than to the poster who keeps fighting about it just for the sake of argument. It’s not like abortion being labeled one or the other matters in a discussion that at its core is about whether or not people should have bodily autonomy.
 
Old 05-09-2022, 02:12 PM
 
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Then look at the ABC/Washington Post Poll. Americans' preference on elective convenience abortion?

48% keep it legal
45% make it illegal

Still doesn't get to that needed 60% level of support.
Does not matter. Don’t want an abortion don’t get one, but don’t restrict the right of another to make a different choice. Someone else’s abortion does not effect you, but your insistence on them following your opinions/beliefs sure as heck effects them.
 
Old 05-09-2022, 02:17 PM
 
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WHO CARES? Whether abortion is a treatment or a procedure or whatever other word you want to use, it is not pertinent to the issue of whether or not women should be allowed to choose abortion. Do you really think that someone who is Pro Choice is gonna be swayed by your argument that abortion is not a “treatment” when they come down on the side of it being a RIGHT? And that banning it removes the RIGHT to women having bodily autonomy? Your argument is moot regardless of whatever definition is used.

Because you are de facto claiming that pregnancy is a disease that needs a treatment, as though it is a medical issue that needs a cure. It's not. It's a natural biological process.

It's like stating that peeing is a medical problem that needs a treatment. No, it doesn't. It's a normal biological function.

Words matter. If you thought it didn't matter, why are you so adamant to call it a treatment?
 
Old 05-09-2022, 02:18 PM
 
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Please explain why the distinction matters in the slightest. From what I can tell it does not other than to the poster who keeps fighting about it just for the sake of argument. It’s not like abortion being labeled one or the other matters in a discussion that at its core is about whether or not people should have bodily autonomy.
Because you are de facto claiming that pregnancy is a disease that needs a treatment, as though it is a medical issue that needs a cure. It's not. It's a natural biological process.

It's like stating that peeing is a medical problem that needs a treatment. No, it doesn't. It's a normal biological function.

Words matter. If you thought it didn't matter, why are you so adamant to call it a treatment?
 
Old 05-09-2022, 02:22 PM
 
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Does not matter. Don’t want an abortion don’t get one, but don’t restrict the right of another to make a different choice. Someone else’s abortion does not effect you, but your insistence on them following your opinions/beliefs sure as heck effects them.
Then why even make murder illegal at all? Someone else's death doesn't matter, right?
 
Old 05-09-2022, 02:26 PM
 
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Pregnancy is not a disease or a sickness that needs treatment.
Well honey I wasnt saying it was. I know you dont have the power of comprehension to understand my post was about human nature and choices and actions that put us in undesirable circumstances.
 
Old 05-09-2022, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Then why even make murder illegal at all? Someone else's death doesn't matter, right?
To me - that’s a breathing human being who has been born and lives on its own.

Now question. A person who is unable to breathe or live on its own. What do we do with them ?
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