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Old 05-12-2022, 07:19 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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Hey, what can we say? Some people want to see rigor in our educational systems, some people don't. You seem to fall into the latter camp. How you people can possibly think that this is going to end well I can't imagine, but it looks like this is where we're at these days.
The typical lefty agenda, do some things like lowering standards, calling math racist and a white construct all under the guise of "equity"

We've gotten to a really stupid poorly thought out place in this country or it's a nefarious attempt to dumb people down and get them reliant on the government. So many things the progressive left wants to do when taken to their logical ends causes nothing but a disaster. How this isn't obvious is beyond me.

I'd say that knowing the Marxist left and their desire to stamp out the family unit, religion and replace it with the government, I'd say it's probably nefarious, all under the guise of "helping" people of course.

When the government is excessively worried about safety and equity and insert all of other garbage buzzwords, I'd it's say it's time to buckle up.
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Old 05-12-2022, 07:55 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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No, they're lowering admissions standards, is what we're talking about.
I can understand where you’re coming from; I don’t agree with it, either. That said, there are several top-tiered law schools which already accept the GRE or LSAT. Then there is the new undergraduate program which has been developed - presumably to take its place, in a sense, in terms of predicting law school success.

My (main) point being, it does not lower the standard of the law-school program in and of itself, particularly relative to the top-tiered law schools, nor the Bar - for that matter. Hence the reason one is not relevant to the other. Keep in mind the admissions process extends far beyond the LSAT (and always has) - again, relative to the top-tiered schools.
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Old 05-12-2022, 08:28 PM
 
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Hey, what can we say? Some people want to see rigor in our educational systems, some people don't. You seem to fall into the latter camp. How you people can possibly think that this is going to end well I can't imagine, but it looks like this is where we're at these days.
What you think you see is that all qualifications are dropped. That is not what is happening, and don't forget, law schools have limited enrollment abilities.

Those with the highest grades will still get preference. And other screening tests will be applied.
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Old 05-12-2022, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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What you think you see is that all qualifications are dropped. That is not what is happening, and don't forget, law schools have limited enrollment abilities.

Those with the highest grades will still get preference. And other screening tests will be applied.
Thanks for displaying an extreme level of ignorance on the subject matter.

Law school admissions are limited.

You would have people who have little to no chance of succeeding taking up space resulting in the denial of people who have the best chance.


And all just so you can feel good about yourself.


In Europe, admissions to 4-year universities are limited, which is why only the cream of the cream of the crop who have consistently scored highest on standardized tests from the 4th Grade to the 12th Grade get to go to college for free.

The LSAT is no different than those tests Euro-States use to limit and restrict admissions to 4-year universities to the best of the best.

When you start ranting about how unfair and unnecessary Euro-State testing is, your position will no longer be hypocritical.
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Old 05-12-2022, 09:23 PM
 
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What you think you see is that all qualifications are dropped. That is not what is happening, and don't forget, law schools have limited enrollment abilities.

Those with the highest grades will still get preference. And other screening tests will be applied.
Again, what can I say to you? Some people have respect for and place a high value on things like reading comprehension and logic, some don't. I do, you don't. We'll just have to agree to disagree here.
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Old 05-12-2022, 09:33 PM
 
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What you think you see is that all qualifications are dropped. That is not what is happening, and don't forget, law schools have limited enrollment abilities.

Those with the highest grades will still get preference. And other screening tests will be applied.
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Thanks for displaying an extreme level of ignorance on the subject matter.

Law school admissions are limited.

You would have people who have little to no chance of succeeding taking up space resulting in the denial of people who have the best chance.


And all just so you can feel good about yourself.


In Europe, admissions to 4-year universities are limited, which is why only the cream of the cream of the crop who have consistently scored highest on standardized tests from the 4th Grade to the 12th Grade get to go to college for free.

The LSAT is no different than those tests Euro-States use to limit and restrict admissions to 4-year universities to the best of the best.

When you start ranting about how unfair and unnecessary Euro-State testing is, your position will no longer be hypocritical.
You seem to have ignored most of what I wrote. See bolded.
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Old 05-12-2022, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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Still amazed at the number of people who are having conniptions of altered ENTRANCE exams, and none express any concerns about those exams that really matter... the EXIT ones and Bar ones.
See post #28. As noted therein, the law school graduate pool is oversaturated as it is. The last thing the law school and legal employment market needs is one less barrier to entry.
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Old 05-13-2022, 02:16 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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As noted therein, the law school graduate pool is oversaturated as it is. The last thing the law school and legal employment market needs is one less barrier to entry.
In terms of top-tiered law schools, the ‘barrier’ remains the same; the acceptance rate is five to ten percent, as a whole. It does not translate to widening the entrance gate.
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Old 05-13-2022, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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Still amazed at the number of people who are having conniptions of altered ENTRANCE exams, and none express any concerns about those exams that really matter... the EXIT ones and Bar ones.
IF there are enough spots for everyone who wants in, i would not have any problem with admitting those who score low. But if that is NOT the case, then some people are taking spots that could have gone to someone who had a better chance of graduating.
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Old 11-28-2022, 10:45 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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standards are white supremacy.
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