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Old 05-05-2022, 10:43 PM
 
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We all know, Republicans claim to support citizens gun rights and the 2A...and that Democrats feel basically the opposite and want more gun control...right?


OK, so why have the major ATF gun laws remained pretty much the same for MANY MANY years now, (thru out plenty of Republican AND Democrat controlled terms)?


If the two parties truly felt so different on this issue, should we not see significant gun law changes every time power changes hands?


It seems to me, the ATF has control over these laws for the most part? What is really odd about these Federal gun laws...state and even local law enforcement, (almost EVERYWHERE in the country), aggressively enforce 'federal' gun laws every chance they get!!? That doesnt sound logical, does it? One would assume, there would be at least a few cities, states, that simply refuse to comply with federal gun laws? Or compliance would change at the state/ local level, depending on which party has power at any given time...but federal gun laws appear to be aggressively enforced ALL THE TIME, despite which party holds power, at the Federal, state and local levels???(Maybe Im wrong and there are some out there?) If anyone can name some I would definitely appreciate it.
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Old 05-05-2022, 10:54 PM
 
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Missouri passed a law that would prohibit police from enforcing federal gun laws but the courts will overturn it.
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Old 05-05-2022, 11:06 PM
 
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Missouri passed a law that would prohibit police from enforcing federal gun laws but the courts will overturn it.
WHY would state or local police even enforce the laws to begin with though? What is that indicative of? LOL


You have to admit, for ANY state or local law enforcement...to support enforcement of federal gun laws, conflicts with our form our govt in this country. Or do state/local police only enforce federal laws, when they happen to agree with the feds?


Its so funny when you think about it...I remember hearing some local police officers saying they would not enforce a proposed new federal gun law, during Trumps term...(but apparently they had no problems whatsoever enforcing OTHER federal gun laws at the local level. LOL How silly is that?


Or better yet... all the so called 'proud, patriotic gun shop owners;, (who claim to be diehard defenders of citizens gun rights)...but again, they are ALL IN FULL COMPLIANCE with ALL federal, state and local gun laws...at all times!!!? Seems to me, these proud patriotic gun shop owners are truly concerned with OBEDIENCE and COMPLIANCE with ALL gun laws! They are not defending any rights at all...when new gun laws are created...they OBEY and COMPLY from day 1.
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Old 05-05-2022, 11:49 PM
 
Location: Habsburg Lands of Old
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We all know, Republicans claim to support citizens gun rights and the 2A...and that Democrats feel basically the opposite and want more gun control...right?


OK, so why have the major ATF gun laws remained pretty much the same for MANY MANY years now, (thru out plenty of Republican AND Democrat controlled terms)?


If the two parties truly felt so different on this issue, should we not see significant gun law changes every time power changes hands?


It seems to me, the ATF has control over these laws for the most part? What is really odd about these Federal gun laws...state and even local law enforcement, (almost EVERYWHERE in the country), aggressively enforce 'federal' gun laws every chance they get!!? That doesnt sound logical, does it? One would assume, there would be at least a few cities, states, that simply refuse to comply with federal gun laws? Or compliance would change at the state/ local level, depending on which party has power at any given time...but federal gun laws appear to be aggressively enforced ALL THE TIME, despite which party holds power, at the Federal, state and local levels???(Maybe Im wrong and there are some out there?) If anyone can name some I would definitely appreciate it.

IMHO it's basically a combination of Establishment parties not really being all that different from each other/national level law enforcement in practice always " outranking " non national level law enforcement .

Similar patterns occur in other countries as well , though in the ones I'm familiar with non national level cops actually often turn a blind eye to strict enforcement of gun laws and even try to slow down the efforts of national level cops doing so from time to time .

All in all central government is typically always on unfriendly terms with individual liberty .
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Old 05-06-2022, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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It's the difference between the uniparty vs populists. Establishment politicians care about power whereas populist Republicans uphold actual Republican values.
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Old 05-06-2022, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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We all know, Republicans claim to support citizens gun rights and the 2A...and that Democrats feel basically the opposite and want more gun control...right?


OK, so why have the major ATF gun laws remained pretty much the same for MANY MANY years now, (thru out plenty of Republican AND Democrat controlled terms)?


If the two parties truly felt so different on this issue, should we not see significant gun law changes every time power changes hands?


It seems to me, the ATF has control over these laws for the most part? What is really odd about these Federal gun laws...state and even local law enforcement, (almost EVERYWHERE in the country), aggressively enforce 'federal' gun laws every chance they get!!? That doesnt sound logical, does it? One would assume, there would be at least a few cities, states, that simply refuse to comply with federal gun laws? Or compliance would change at the state/ local level, depending on which party has power at any given time...but federal gun laws appear to be aggressively enforced ALL THE TIME, despite which party holds power, at the Federal, state and local levels???(Maybe Im wrong and there are some out there?) If anyone can name some I would definitely appreciate it.
ATF doesn't "have control over these laws", in that they don't write the laws or pass them. That is the function of congress. ATF has responsibility for enforcement of them. And they fail to do their jobs. Trying to buy a gun when knowingly banned from doing so is a felony, and buying one for someone else is a felony. Further, buying a gun if you use pot or any other controlled substance is illegal. Yet these laws are almost never enforced and violators are never punished. Gun laws were not passed to reduce crime, in fact they help criminals by disarming their potential victims.
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Old 05-06-2022, 06:47 AM
 
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Missouri passed a law that would prohibit police from enforcing federal gun laws but the courts will overturn it.
Yep- we live in a free state.

Concealed carry legal without a permit.

Machine gun ownership for private citizens legal.

Living in Mo would make a liberal's head explode.
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Old 05-06-2022, 07:14 AM
 
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The toothpaste is out of the tube, and there is no way to ever put it back in.

Nobody really knows, but there are more guns on the street than there are residents in the US. So 350 million to 400 million guns in private hands. Out of those, perhaps 30 million are assault rifles and/or automatic weapons.

We also have a very porous border with weapons streaming across quite freely.

It is impossible to have any sort of gun control, so why do people keep bringing it up?

The actual solution to the problem? More guns on the street at any one given time, more people trained on their use.

A “good guy with a gun” is the only solution available. Are there problems with that solution? Absolutely.

But liberals need to stop living in a fantasy world where they get guns off the street, because it’s impossible.
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Old 05-06-2022, 07:18 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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I haven't figured out what laws the OP is talking about, yet. I'm not denying there are some, I just wonder which ones he is talking about.
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Old 05-06-2022, 07:28 AM
 
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IMHO it's basically....Establishment parties not really being all that different from each other
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All in all central government is typically always on unfriendly terms with individual liberty .
The baseline logic that begins the answer concerning any "why" question about government.

Can't distill it down any further or make it any more rock solid true.
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