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Old 05-10-2022, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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The fox news article doesnt give a single detail of what is actually being done , the Providence Journal article doesnt give much info either, but the Journal does have contradictory info.

In one paragraph, it says that there will indeed be multiple levels of classes, they just wont be called that. In another it says the classes will be honors level and given to all students and the parents quote is that this will hurt students who arent as smart as others because they will be forced to take higher level classes.

Then lastly it says no one can get into these classes without making an 88.

no matter which one of the 3 is true, it absolutely makes the fox news article wrong.


https://www.providencejournal.com/st...am/7226170001/
That makes me wonder what kind of schooling the journalist had. Unless they were reporting what different people said about the plan, it seems they can't get their own facts straight within the article.
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Old 05-10-2022, 02:29 PM
 
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Click-bait article. [URL="https://www.barringtonschools.org/o/high-school/article/403194"]Here is the school district website with a discussion of the whys and wherefores of the changes.[/URL]
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Old 05-10-2022, 03:56 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Yup! Probably 99.9 of these leftist ideologies are coughed up in the New England area of our country. What you are seeing here is the ultimate NIMBY moment.

What these hair brained leftists mean is the are ok with getting rid of Honors Classes as long as their kids aren’t affected.
That's not correct, they come from the West Coast, and they are amplified by the richest demographic in the country - middle aged white progressives in Northern Virginia, Maryland, and Massachusetts

Those progressives in the Northeast are ladder-kickers. They are actually massively privileged, and actually racist as hell, and guilty about it. But you will never see them cede their wealth, instead they feign attonement and call themselves and all other white people racist.

They keep their wealth and privilege, and you never get to their status because they just kicked the ladder away so you can't climb up after them
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Old 05-10-2022, 03:57 PM
 
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Do you really expect them to outright say what the reasons are?. Of course not they are going to go out of their way to try and disguise the reasons.

The bolding and underlining is my emphasis.

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Q. Why did BHS move to a de-leveled system?

A. Research, shared later in this document, demonstrates that students in de-leveled classes perform better academically and socially. They are more engaged, have more in-depth and richer knowledge, and are empowered to excel to high levels.

In analyzing our mission and vision of a student, we determined that we were not achieving our commitment to empower all students to excel. We tracked students based on their schedules. Not all students were challenged or empowered to high levels across all courses. In eliminating tracking, adding honors designations, and a pathway option at the high school, we can provide more significant opportunities to engage all students in pursuing their passions or in-depth exploration of areas of interest.

De-leveling builds our community of learners, allowing for meaningful interaction and connections. Social-Emotional research also suggests that a collaborative and inclusive learning environment builds empathy, self-confidence, efficacy, and greater well-being for all students. When schools set high expectations for all students, students stretch to achieve those expectations. The opposite is true when schools set low expectations.
As soon as you hear "social-emotional research" you know they've gone woke. Because only in a backward woke world is removing honors classes considered setting high expectations.

Oh and you think they are done....

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Q. Will all classes be de-leveled in the future?

A. As noted earlier, BHS will continue to offer AP courses. ELA and Social Studies courses will continue to be de-leveled. We are currently studying the best approach to de-level some math and science courses. In ELA and Social Studies, all students take the same 9th and 10th-grade courses. In math and science, students follow different progressions. For example, 9th graders may enter Algebra I, Geometry, or Algebra II.

As we are making incremental changes, we do not anticipate the opportunity to further de-level in math and science for 2021-2022. During 2021-2022, the teachers and leadership team will continue to engage in professional learning and data review to determine the next steps, if any. The next steps will then be communicated to families as decisions are made.
Translation: We are doing this in small steps so that even though you may complain you won't complain that much.

I will guarantee you now unless they get a lot of pushback by 2023 there will be no Honors or AP classes.
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Old 05-10-2022, 04:09 PM
 
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Do you really expect them to outright say what the reasons are?. Of course not they are going to go out of their way to try and disguise the reasons.

The bolding and underlining is my emphasis.


As soon as you hear "social-emotional research" you know they've gone woke. Because only in a backward woke world is removing honors classes considered setting high expectations.

Oh and you think they are done....



Translation: We are doing this in small steps so that even though you may complain you won't complain that much.

I will guarantee you now unless they get a lot of pushback by 2023 there will be no Honors or AP classes.
I think the school is a much better source than Fox News, that's for sure. At least the school's statement is providing specific and timely information to debate rather than spoon-feeding outrage to the ignorant and easily provoked.
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Old 05-10-2022, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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That's not correct, they come from the West Coast, and they are amplified by the richest demographic in the country - middle aged white progressives in Northern Virginia, Maryland, and Massachusetts

Those progressives in the Northeast are ladder-kickers. They are actually massively privileged, and actually racist as hell, and guilty about it. But you will never see them cede their wealth, instead they feign attonement and call themselves and all other white people racist.

They keep their wealth and privilege, and you never get to their status because they just kicked the ladder away so you can't climb up after them
They care about low income black and brown children. But they don't want their children to go to school with them
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Old 05-10-2022, 04:44 PM
 
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I think the school is a much better source than Fox News, that's for sure. At least the school's statement is providing specific and timely information to debate rather than spoon-feeding outrage to the ignorant and easily provoked.
The school's own statement makes clear they are "de-levelling" courses. They have started with English and social studies and plan to "de-level" math and science after they figure out a way to do it. Which is their polite way of saying they are removing honors classes. Yes? Or no?
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Old 05-10-2022, 04:46 PM
 
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This isn't equity. This is equality. This is why equity is what we should strive for in schools. Equality treats them all the same whereas equity addresses the various needs so that everyone can achieve their best.
According to your equity definition, there should be honors courses as it would be addressing the various needs so everyone can achieve their best. Advanced students in classes tailored to their capabilities, less advanced classes for other students with different capabilities or needs.

But this is not what is going on here.
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Old 05-10-2022, 04:47 PM
 
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The school's own statement makes clear they are "de-levelling" courses. They have started with English and social studies and plan to "de-level" math and science after they figure out a way to do it. Which is their polite way of saying they are removing honors classes. Yes? Or no?
I believe the school statement mentioned expanding AP offerings and also something that sounds like concurrent college enrollment.
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Old 05-10-2022, 04:59 PM
 
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I haven't looked into Barrington's course offerings very deeply, but if the high school still offer AP coursework and concurrent enrollment, that would meet the needs of advanced students, no? And it has the added benefit of reducing costs for those students who take and score well on the AP exams.
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