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Old 05-30-2022, 07:19 AM
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Perhaps parents should convince their sons to have vasectomies at about the age they become sexually active. They have around ten years to have it reversed with almost a 50% chance of conceiving a child. Sounds more humane than forcing a female to undergo childbirth against her will.

 
Old 05-30-2022, 07:24 AM
 
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Perhaps parents should convince their sons to have vasectomies at about the age they become sexually active. They have around ten years to have it reversed with almost a 50% chance of conceiving a child. Sounds more humane than forcing a female to undergo childbirth against her will.
There's that fallacy again . 95% of unintended pregnancies are due to women VOLUNTARILY participating in unprotected sex. They themselves are making the choice to do nothing to prevent pregnancy. No one is forcing that. They're doing that to themselves... deliberately opting in on pregnancy.
 
Old 05-30-2022, 07:41 AM
 
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There's that fallacy again . 95% of unintended pregnancies are due to women VOLUNTARILY participating in unprotected sex. They themselves are making the choice to do nothing to prevent pregnancy. No one is forcing that. They're doing that to themselves... deliberately opting in on pregnancy.
As is a man when he engages in unprotected sex. Men have just as much responsibility for the pregnancy regardless if she’s the one who carries it. Anti choice should look on men with the same distain as they do women. Call them murderers. Tell them to abstain, or use two forms of bc. If an accidental pregnancy occurs, man up, support your offspring. Millions of men financially abort their children the minute the woman is pregnant. Millions of men refuse to pay child support even when court ordered. Millions emotionally abort their offspring for it’s entire life. Anti choice should look on men with the same restrictions, expectations to take their responsibility. As you say no one is forcing them, it’s voluntary.
 
Old 05-30-2022, 07:49 AM
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There's that fallacy again . 95% of unintended pregnancies are due to women VOLUNTARILY participating in unprotected sex. They themselves are making the choice to do nothing to prevent pregnancy. No one is forcing that. They're doing that to themselves... deliberately opting in on pregnancy.
Its illogical that a woman can voluntarily participate in unprotected sex alone. Men who don't want children don't have them and men who don't care father children honorably or dishonorably.
 
Old 05-30-2022, 08:03 AM
 
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As is a man when he engages in unprotected sex. Men have just as much responsibility for the pregnancy regardless if she’s the one who carries it.
While that's true, the SCIENTIFIC FACT is that it's women who get pregnant. You can't convince anyone that they don't want a pregnancy when they themselves do nothing to prevent it from happening as is true in 95% of unintended pregnancies.

So, no, 95% of the time it's NOT a forced pregnancy. It's self-inflicted, by choice.
 
Old 05-30-2022, 08:04 AM
 
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Its illogical that a woman can voluntarily participate in unprotected sex alone. Men who don't want children don't have them and men who don't care father children honorably or dishonorably.
Same answer...

The SCIENTIFIC FACT is that it's women who get pregnant. You can't convince anyone that they don't want a pregnancy when they themselves do nothing to prevent it from happening as is true in 95% of unintended pregnancies.

So, no, 95% of the time it's NOT a forced pregnancy. It's self-inflicted, by choice.
 
Old 05-30-2022, 08:42 AM
 
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It seems to me making a woman take the ingredients she holds for a baby and forcing her to make it into one is that of the stone ages, and of a religious nature. If this is the intent then masturbation, as some religions tout, should also be illegal as it is disregarding ingredients that could be made into a human. Will this be next?

This really looks like the U.S. is a religious nation, like the middle eastern governments and their forced laws on women. Why would this be a good idea for your country? Why would forcing women to labor be something the U.S. would approve of? You speak of the land of the free, but it looks like the land of the extreme Christians. How did you fall back to this? Is the United States giving up it's "freedom" mantra now? It's really bizarre to watch the change in your country over the last five years. It's really going backwards. I feel so sorry for the women in your country.
 
Old 05-30-2022, 09:14 AM
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Same answer...

The SCIENTIFIC FACT is that it's women who get pregnant. You can't convince anyone that they don't want a pregnancy when they themselves do nothing to prevent it from happening as is true in 95% of unintended pregnancies.

So, no, 95% of the time it's NOT a forced pregnancy. It's self-inflicted, by choice.
A "self inflicted pregnancy" is a new one on me. That would translate as "to impregnate oneself."

Is it humane to force women to endure an "infliction?"



in·flic·tion
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the action of inflicting something unpleasant or painful on someone or something.
"the repeated infliction of pain"
 
Old 05-30-2022, 09:23 AM
 
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A "self inflicted pregnancy" is a new one on me. That would translate as "to impregnate oneself."
No, it's doing nothing to prevent a supposedly unwanted pregnancy. What do women who don't use birth control think is going to happen when they have sex with men? Hmmm...???
 
Old 05-30-2022, 09:32 AM
 
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Yes, obviously. And a spike in gang violence in about 15 yrs
That's possible, there is a theory that the huge drop in the crime rate in the 90's was due to the passage of Roe V Wade 20 years earlier.
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"We estimate that overall crime fell 17.5% from 1998 to 2014 due to legalized abortion— a decline of 1% per year. From 1991 to 2014, the violent and property crime rates each fell by 50%. Legalized abortion is estimated to have reduced violent crime by 47% and property crime by 33% over this period, and thus can explain most of the observed crime decline." https://law.stanford.edu/publication...t-two-decades/
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