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Old 05-21-2022, 08:49 PM
 
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Apparently Obama's AG Eric Holder would ramp things up including a prosecution of Trump. Says a non prosecution would be divisive.

https://www.businessinsider.com/eric...p-jan-6-2022-5

If the committee goes prosecution that means all cards on the table including Pelosi and others testimony and defense lawyers to put all the parsed/leaked information in context or debunk it.
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Old 05-21-2022, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Apparently Obama's AG Eric Holder would ramp things up including a prosecution of Trump. Says a non prosecution would be divisive.

https://www.businessinsider.com/eric...p-jan-6-2022-5

If the committee goes prosecution that means all cards on the table including Pelosi and others testimony and defense lawyers to put all the parsed/leaked information in context or debunk it.
The Committee doesn’t have authority to prosecute anybody. All they can do is ask the DOJ to prosecute.

As it stands, the DOJ already has at least three investigations of Trump in process at the moment. They have also asked the Committee for transcripts of all of the interviews they have done with everyone. The public hearings are going to be interesting.
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Old 05-21-2022, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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It's not JUST that Hillary had a private server and you know that.
She had no safety measures on that server, anyone and their mother could have, may have, tip toed through it and taken what they'd wanted.
She'd also had classified intel stored on it, had received/sent that classified info, and lied about it.
Get back to me when it's proven that Ivanka did exactly the same. Until then, all you have is whataboutism.
As I had access to Fed emails I explained various times. No top secret -anything comes comes from any servers. There are special guarded rooms (SCIF) that these transmission or what they call cables come through. And there are no phones etc and only those with clearances are allowed in.
Almost all emails in the DOS are considered classified unless they are informational only. I can tell you, much of what I saw was not for public view but not some national security stuff either. There’s no way she could have exposed anything of value. Btw she was not the only senator with a private server in congress. Facts.

In short, SCIFs keep Top Secrets secret.
According to the U.S. Department of Defense, a SCIF is any secure place, permanent or temporary, in which classified material “may be stored, used, discussed and/or electronically processed.”
These nondescript mini-fortresses serve as an advanced form of protection against espionage, while guarding against electronic surveillance and preventing data leakage.
They are designed with one purpose: to protect sensitive security or military information. Classified documents and conversations are kept in. Unauthorized personnel are kept out. Period.

https://www.secomllc.com/blog/4-thin...on-facilities/
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Old 05-21-2022, 10:53 PM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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As I had access to Fed emails I explained various times. No top secret -anything comes comes from any servers. There are special guarded rooms (SCIF) that these transmission or what they call cables come through. And there are no phones etc and only those with clearances are allowed in.
Almost all emails in the DOS are considered classified unless they are informational only. I can tell you, much of what I saw was not for public view but not some national security stuff either. There’s no way she could have exposed anything of value. Btw she was not the only senator with a private server in congress. Facts.

In short, SCIFs keep Top Secrets secret.
According to the U.S. Department of Defense, a SCIF is any secure place, permanent or temporary, in which classified material “may be stored, used, discussed and/or electronically processed.”
These nondescript mini-fortresses serve as an advanced form of protection against espionage, while guarding against electronic surveillance and preventing data leakage.
They are designed with one purpose: to protect sensitive security or military information. Classified documents and conversations are kept in. Unauthorized personnel are kept out. Period.

https://www.secomllc.com/blog/4-thin...on-facilities/
She did not have a SCIF in her home, seems she barely had qualified persons working around her server.
Most likely she had aides that had clearance.
She had her aides strip the classified headers so that they could email the materials to her.
She'd had material that was classified from Confidential on up to Top Secret.
Those things and more. Seems you don't know much about this matter. Perhaps you should do some research and read up on it.
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Old 05-21-2022, 11:47 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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Right. Liberals are well know for respecting and have reverence for established traditions and landmarks within the United States.
Even though this was probably meant as tongue in cheek, you are wrong if you think liberals do not respect landmarks and traditions. Come to Massachusetts and see all the historic sites or maybe you should have attended the historic recreation I went to today complete with reading out loud of a proclamation relating to throwing tea overboard and advocating a United States of America. BTW, this was done on the steps of a church built in the 1700s and the day was a celebration of the anniversary of that church. It doesn't have to be a fundamentalist evangelical type church. We have excellent churches but we don't push it onto others.

You think liberals don't care about our history? You are in for a surprise. Come and see the Mayflower II in Plymouth. See the USS Constitution. Visit historic Mystic Seaport in CT. We preserve and revere history.

If something was blatantly put there to make a certain group of people feel inferior, we certainly would debate that though because "all men are created equal."

And we did not appreciate being terrorized on Jan 6th by a bunch of lunatics breaking into our nation's capital. Trump's puppets do not own the country, they do not own our national landmarks and buildings. These things belong to all of us and we all love our country and, incidentally, we did not appreciate a coup d' etat attempt. Criminals need to do jail time and all the rest of us, whatever political party, shouldn't be terrorized.
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Old 05-22-2022, 05:09 AM
 
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Comey also said that none of that was actionable.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-relea...-e-mail-system

However, in the interest of fairness and justice, if we are going to lock Hillary up for using a private server for emails, perhaps the entire Trump Gang should join her there for the same "crime".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...cations-tools/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/u...te-emails.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...server/541017/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46271021

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...urity-concerns
All but 1,quotes for left sources, I see.

From you FBI" source"

"110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent."

"Comey also said that none of that was actionable." even though he ADMITS she had classified material on her PRIVATE server.

It was NOT up to comey to decide.

The FBI INVESTIGATES, then turns what it has over to the A.G.'s office.

Look up three "3 Amigo's" and you will find all or part of them were involved in some way or another in EVER clinton, bill and hillary, criminal investigation and lo and behold charges were NEVER filed against either of them for ANYTHING even though there were just causes to do so.
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Old 05-22-2022, 05:18 AM
 
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So to be clear then, you do agree that the "many" people who did breach the Capitol grounds and building, participated in trying to overwhelm the Capitol Police, and then ransacked the Capitol are terrorists?
" you do agree that" Not even close!
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Old 05-22-2022, 05:23 AM
 
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Let’s talk about facts. There were weapons and a van full sitting on the side lines. They were armed, with items they used as weapons. There’s was violence and destruction. There were verbal threats of violence against people, there were people at a hotel near by monitoring the event for further action. There were phone calls and texts regarding this action taking place and even pre-planned. The intent was to stop a presidential transition. Some have already confirmed and confessed to it. Stick to the evidence.

Now, go cry about your boys scouts just got a little out of hand at a Capitol excursion. or deflect and tell me about some other riot that happened elsewhere months before by BLM etc.
"Let’s talk about facts."

That would be once, for once.
There were weapons and a van full sitting on the side lines. They were armed, with items they used as weapons. There’s was violence and destruction.

And NONE of those were the marchers who had just left Trump's rally.

See the difference?
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Old 05-22-2022, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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All but 1,quotes for left sources, I see.

From you FBI" source"

"110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent."

"Comey also said that none of that was actionable." even though he ADMITS she had classified material on her PRIVATE server.

It was NOT up to comey to decide.

The FBI INVESTIGATES, then turns what it has over to the A.G.'s office.

Look up three "3 Amigo's" and you will find all or part of them were involved in some way or another in EVER clinton, bill and hillary, criminal investigation and lo and behold charges were NEVER filed against either of them for ANYTHING even though there were just causes to do so.
Refresh my memory - What did James Comey do for a living...?
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Old 05-22-2022, 01:16 PM
 
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Apparently Obama's AG Eric Holder would ramp things up including a prosecution of Trump. Says a non prosecution would be divisive.

https://www.businessinsider.com/eric...p-jan-6-2022-5

If the committee goes prosecution that means all cards on the table including Pelosi and others testimony and defense lawyers to put all the parsed/leaked information in context or debunk it.
You mean "Obama's wing man?"
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