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it depends what is your standard? if its debt and bad spending from the average Joe lenses , then the federal government takes the cake in numbers. Are We at war with Puerto Rico? explain your detrimental relationship comment?
Independence would be impossible legal and politically and that's just staying in the American law and Supreme Court rulings.
Not my standards, yours. I did say, "according to you", as in this statement of yours:
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The U.S. has more serious issues than P.R. For a country that has a 30 trillion dollar debt and growing, growing inflation, can't control spending, keeps in endless wars and endless occupations and just sent over 50 billion dollars in Ukraine and it's a start next to the other military aid to other countries that are not even U.S. Citizens, I really doubt federal aid to an island of 130 x 35 miles of less than 4 million American citizens is going to break the bank.
And detrimental based on these following statements:
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I have to obey federal law and pay their taxes by force but I don't get any representation? How is that a "freebie".
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Yes they do. The pay feaxes on goods going in the island that raises the prices on the island in the cost of living, makes them dependent on paying loans with interests , they pay S.S. tax, Medicare tax, unemployment tax . What they don't pay is income tax if the sources are from the island itself but if you work for the federal government from the military and the many federal agencies in the island you not only pay federal income but to P.R. income tax (double taxation) and you get NO representation. Yeah, they are getting over alright.
By not paying federal income tax, they are not entitled to the freebies in the states like the earned income credit. 25 million Americans pay NO taxes and get 60 billion dollars a year in freebies just on the EIC. That's not counting the other handouts. On that alone, that's 8 times more people living in P.R. but I don't see the concern citizens here about spending abolishing the EIC and force them to pay federal taxes.
P.R. economy produces 112 billion a year on commerce and production. The U.S. gives 4 billion to control the system.
So your complain is that they should get double tax, Don't qualify for EIC and the goodies in the states while not getting representation and are under full federal laws at the threat of prison. Yeah, that is some freebie stuff.
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Puerto Rico doesn't have any representation on federal laws so tell me who benefits since it's the U.S. that writes all laws, regulations and protection and banking?
Does Puerto Rico local law surpasses Federal law? Anybody that knows about the topic knows the answer except you.
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Whether it's impossible or possible, do you support independence for Puerto Rico, given, in your view, the unfair treatment of Puerto Rico by the US?
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More Mexicans moving in California making it more Mexi-Cali will be a reality than Puerto Rico being independent. Which only 4% of the electorate supports it but the most important reason is that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Congress can't take U.S. Citizenship away involuntarily. Double whammy, politically and legally.
But that's not what was said. You dream of "giving California back to Mexico", remember? Mexicans have been moving to California and yet the state is still part of the US..
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The U.S. is not in the business of giving real estate away or power away but dreaming is free.
Whether it's impossible or possible, do you support independence for Puerto Rico, given, in your view, the unfair treatment of Puerto Rico by the US?
No, you are mistaking my opinion. Puerto Rico hasn't been mistreated by the U.S. The U.S. gave them a status in 1952 and they accepted it and made their bed.
My argument is with some people here that say P.R. is a drain on the U.S. economy and that is false. Take what the U.S. gives in government assistance and compare it to the taxes they pay to be under the U.S. economy and their production which the U.S. fully controls. If I give you 4 billion to control your 112 billion. How am I losing money? I give you 4 billion to control your 112 billion in production and I own the real estate you are living on and paying me in many ways that the other poster seems lost how the economy works.
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But that's not what was said. You dream of "giving California back to Mexico", remember? Mexicans have been moving to California and yet the state is still part of the US..
My comment was sarcastic in respond to the post of giving U.S. citizens away against their will. Both scenarios are not realistic since you keep asking about the post.
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Philippines.
Wrong history and facts. The Philippines were never given U.S. citizenship and the U.S. didn't want to make them U.S. territory for many tactical and geographical reasons and the majority of the people of the Philippines wanted the Spaniards and the Americans gone and that's why they went to a nasty guerrilla war which the U.S. couldn't win and had no intention of ruin that relationship since the U.S. only wanted to use the Philippines as a military base to keep China and Japan from expanding in the East and that's another topic in history that has NOTHING to do with Puerto Rico because they have nothing in common.
Do you understand that once you are U.S. Citizen, you are under the full protection and jurisdiction of the U.S. and the U.S. Supreme Court already ruled that Congress can't take U.S. Citizenship involuntarily. That's ball game. Checkmate.
Maybe if you can get in a time machine and travel back to 1912-1914, you could have prevented that but the people in power made the decision way before 1898 and take the Empire of Spain out of the picture so they could force their economic domination. It's all history and well planned. Pretty easy to follow what they were doing. See, the fate of Puerto Rico as many other places in the U.S. and their jurisdiction were sealed way before We were born.
The morons in the Independence movement first wanted a stalin type rule then in the 6os 70s well into the 80 they wanted the castro bros type rule and still do problem is no one want that crap in PR!!
When I was in High School in PR, we had an assembly where reps from the Commonwealth party, the statehood party and the independence party came and each pushed their case. At the end we got to ask them questions. One kid asked the independentista just how would PR support itself if it became a country. His answer (and he said this with a straight face) "We'll grow tomatoes". I kid you not! I mean they do grow tomatoes in Jayuya but not enough to keep the entire economy going!
This ^^^ is why you can't have a rational conversation on this forum. Democrats want to get rid of Mom and Dad? And inject porn into schools? You forgot to mention they drink baby blood in Satanic rituals!
Leo, You have been sheltered to what is going on.CNN will not tell you what the sicko lefties are doing Leftists want moms and dads to be called birthing people.
No, you are mistaking my opinion. Puerto Rico hasn't been mistreated by the U.S. The U.S. gave them a status in 1952 and they accepted it and made their bed.
My argument is with some people here that say P.R. is a drain on the U.S. economy and that is false. Take what the U.S. gives in government assistance and compare it to the taxes they pay to be under the U.S. economy and their production which the U.S. fully controls. If I give you 4 billion to control your 112 billion. How am I losing money? I give you 4 billion to control your 112 billion in production and I own the real estate you are living on and paying me in many ways that the other poster seems lost how the economy works.
But then you mention numerous times that despite paying taxes, Puerto Ricans don't get representation in Congress....which rather sounds like Puerto Rico being mistreated by the US.
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My comment was sarcastic in respond to the post of giving U.S. citizens away against their will. Both scenarios are not realistic since you keep asking about the post.
The other poster who recommended cutting PR loose also understood that "it will never happen", so why the need for sarcasm?
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Wrong history and facts. The Philippines were never given U.S. citizenship and the U.S. didn't want to make them U.S. territory for many tactical and geographical reasons and the majority of the people of the Philippines wanted the Spaniards and the Americans gone and that's why they went to a nasty guerrilla war which the U.S. couldn't win and had no intention of ruin that relationship since the U.S. only wanted to use the Philippines as a military base to keep China and Japan from expanding in the East and that's another topic in history that has NOTHING to do with Puerto Rico because they have nothing in common.
Why are you bringing up citizenship and territorial status when your previous post that I quoted only mentioned US not giving away "real estate" or "power"? Was the Philippines not under US control once? Did it not eventually let go of the Philippines?
But then you mention numerous times that despite paying taxes, Puerto Ricans don't get representation in Congress....which rather sounds like Puerto Rico being mistreated by the US.
No, again my posts are in respond to a false assertions. Somebody said Puerto Rico doesn't pay federal income taxes and my response was they pay other taxes and don't have representation because that is the status the U.S. gave Puerto Rico. Congress made the system. They invaded Puerto Rico so they call the shots. You are assuming that is being mistreated. I haven't said such a thing.
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The other poster who recommended cutting PR loose also understood that "it will never happen", so why the need for sarcasm?
and neither California being return to Mexico. He made a sarcastic post and I made another one.
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Why are you bringing up citizenship and territorial status when your previous post that I quoted only mentioned US not giving away "real estate" or "power"? Was the Philippines not under US control once? Did it not eventually let go of the Philippines?
Because the U.S. never had control of the full country of the Philippines. The Philippines was already an Independent Republic when the Americans landed in the First Philippine Republic and war broke when the U.S. rejected their constitution. The Jones Act (Philippine version) promised the Philippines eventual independence if they let the U.S. stay as visitors. Philippine Autonomy Act, Act of Congress of August 29, 1916).
Puerto Rico wasn't an independent Republic when the Americans landed and Puerto Rico didn't go to war with the U.S. for control. They let the U.S. take control fully of the island and U.S. citizenship was accepted by the nation of Puerto Rico. See the difference how the U.S. had full control in one place and not in another and the U.S. intention was always to accept Philippines independence. You can't hold something you never had.
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You got this upside down. I have to obey federal law and pay their taxes by force but I don't get any representation? How is that a "freebie". Get out of your bubble.
part 1 - ok duh. why would you not, but part 2, IRC 933....and look up act 20 and 22.
Its a small hit to to the overall US budget, but it costs the US appx 22B to 'fund what we fund' in PR, yet if you became a state the reverse treasury flow would only be 2B from your 4M inhabitants.
but the money part is the smaller of the resentment we are told PR citizens would hold if all aspects of their 'sovereignty' was lost. IS this true? has recent polling changed? Your fellow citizens also do not want a dilution in their culture (whatever that means - I thot the whole point of the USA was dilute away...)
part 1 - ok duh. why would you not, but part 2, IRC 933....and look up act 20 and 22.
Its a small hit to to the overall US budget, but it costs the US appx 22B to 'fund what we fund' in PR, yet if you became a state the reverse treasury flow would only be 2B from your 4M inhabitants.
but the money part is the smaller of the resentment we are told PR citizens would hold if all aspects of their 'sovereignty' was lost. IS this true? has recent polling changed? Your fellow citizens also do not want a dilution in their culture (whatever that means - I thot the whole point of the USA was dilute away...)
Funny how the Puerto Ricans and other Hispanics don't want a dilution of their cultures but have no problem diluting ours.
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