Ukraine War

[erasure]

Originally Posted by RoyaleWithCheese

The US does it for money. People (military industrial complex) bribes politicians, and the politicians keep a trillion dollars a year flowing to the MIC (and various other special interested are helped like oil). But the oil thing isnt about taking oil, it is about making war to drive up the price of a barrel. The US does need to participate in actual wars and tries to make small conflicts into bigger wars so as to justify the spending.

What the US did to Syria is unbelievable and most people have no idea. Obama tried to make it into a full scale war but was shot down thankfully. That didnt stop the US from doing something (kinda like whats happening in Ukraine) where they basically sent weapons and supplies to a whole bunch of groups causing the conflict to last longer and kill many more people than would have died without US involvement. All of this was completely known to the US.

Well..
Some people think that it's OK and it's all justified somehow.

It's sort of in THEIR mind the US has certain right to do all that, while Russia does not.

So my question is - why exactly?

Is it all about the "manifest destiny" of some kind or what?

[RoyaleWithCheese]

Originally Posted by erasure

Well..
Some people think that it's OK and it's all justified somehow.

It's sort of in THEIR mind the US has certain right to do all that, while Russia does not.

So my question is - why exactly?

Is it all about the "manifest destiny" of some kind or what?

People like to believe that their government is the "good guys" and the government exploits that. They are also able to keep a lot of the stuff they do secret from the American people. A lot of people are under this weird belief that the US acts as the world police when in reality the US is more like a global overlord that murders the crap out of weak countries purely for money. But by keeping it to only weak nations who cant defend themselves or attack the American mainland, its just about convincing people that those people are "terrorists" and when they murder them they are "fighting terrorism." It is impressive how gullible people are because they simultaneously know full well that these "terrorists" never attacked America and never were going to attack America.

Its crazy.

[Loveshiscountry]

Originally Posted by erasure

So do the US.

All for the sake of gaining more of the political/economic power.

And?

It's only bad when others do it.

Team America F Yea!

[Hesychios]

Originally Posted by brrabbit

Well, you made a number of very valid points, and I don't insist I know anything about Putin or capabilities of their inner circles. I am just trying to find an explanation of some well-known facts, and the only one I came up to - was that Putin (his inner circles) deliberately allows Ukraine get as much Western help as possible...


Here's my thought process...

a) Russia did not destroy bridges between Ukraine and Poland, or tunnels. Did not destroy bridges accross Dnepr either. - while it can easily do so at any point of time.


b) Russia continues delivery of gas through Ukrainian pipelines. What would be easier than to send a spec-ops team and blow the pipe? Then blame it on Ukrainians for violation of contract... Force-major, Ukraine cannot transit gas no more. If Europe wants gas, Europe gets it through Baltic Sea.


c) Russia did not even destroy Ukrainian TV towers and allows Ukrainian propaganda to be spread throughout the Ukraine. Is it too difficult to send a couple of missiles to the TV translators?



d) Russia does not even bomb Kiev or Dnepr city. Or cut food supply to those cities. What is an easier way of creating political chaos than hunger in the Capital?


It's either Kremlin is so stupid. (Which is not true)
Or Kremlin does not want to do any of it.


Think about it, why Kremlin does not want to cut the supply lines to Ukraine?

I think they would have by now if they could have. Russia never gained air superiority over the western half of the country. Some rockets have landed in the west.

It appears that the original plan was to roll south from Belarus toward L'viv, but Belarus did not join in the fun, so they limited the goal to taking Kyiv.

[GotHereQuickAsICould]

Originally Posted by RoyaleWithCheese

Well, the importance for this purpose is certainly weighted towards recent history and actions of recent governments. The US has butchered the crap out of innocent people in the middle east over the past 25 years. The extent of the evil unleashed has been horrific, nobody has come anywhere near competing as far as foreign policy is concerned. The US government tries to keep its evil thousands of miles away and against nations who can not hit mainland US so that the US citizens dont try to stop them.

It appears you are quite passionate about this topic. Perhaps you should start a thread on it.

This thread is about Russia invading Ukraine.

[RoyaleWithCheese]

Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould

It appears you are quite passionate about this topic. Perhaps you should start a thread on it.

This thread is about the Russia invading Ukraine.

I dont understand these people who get off on playing moderator and tell them what they should or shouldnt talk about. It is important to understand the players in the Ukraine conflict and the role of the US government. The US isnt arming Ukraine to help it, they are arming Ukraine to benefit US politicians and they dont care if Ukraine is destroyed in the process.

[erasure]

OK, this is just in ( or rather that's what I am listening right now on the Russian news, so sorry for interruption.)

According to Igor Konashenkov, ( spokesperson for the Russian Army,) - Ukrainian propaganda is spreading lies about the number of foreign mercenaries in Ukraine, putting it at 20,000 people.

"In reality, we keep track of all these "international adventurers," taking note of every arrival and departure of these "headless riders" coming from abroad.
Moreover, in our data base we have not only the mercenaries that are directly taking place in the combat, but we as well take note of every instructor that arrived to train how to use and to repair foreign ammunition sent by the Western countries.

Today we are going to publish our statistics.
Poland is the unchallenged leader among the suppliers of arrived and already killed mercenaries, when it comes to European countries.

From the beginning of our military operation in Ukraine 1,831 mercenaries arrived from Poland. 378 of them were killed, 272 returned to Poland.
Next country on the list is Romania. 504 people arrived, 102 killed, 98 returned back to their country.

Third place - Great Britain. 422 people arrived, 101 are dead, 95 left.

From American continent Canada is the leader ( of mercenaries supply.)
601 people arrived, of them 162 people are dead, 169 left.

The US are at the second place;
530 people arrived, 214 are dead, 227 left.

Next follow the mercenaries from Syria, from US-controlled territories, that were moved by US to Ukraine;
200 people arrived, 80 are killed, 66 left Ukraine..."


Then he goes into the list of people in the data base on the 17th of June, but his broadcast is interrupted there by the comments, but the bottom line remains; Kiev's regime can't stop the trending departure of the foreign mercenaries from Ukraine.

So..
While the Western media is preoccupied with the recent captures of the British and American mercenaries - couple of them here and there, it better address the numbers of the killed mercenaries that Konashenkov just brought in.

If it's not true - they need to start talking about it now.

https://tvoyobzors.ru/60-minut-posle...-17-06-2022-1/

[erasure]

Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould

It appears you are quite passionate about this topic. Perhaps you should start a thread on it.

This thread is about the Russia invading Ukraine.

Everything is learned in comparison, wouldn't you agree?
And if not, we are back to the square one - to this very question, why the US are allowed to do this or that, whereas Russia is not?

[brrabbit]

Originally Posted by Hesychios

I think they would have by now if they could have. Russia never gained air superiority over the western half of the country. Some rockets have landed in the west.

It appears that the original plan was to roll south from Belarus toward L'viv, but Belarus did not join in the fun, so they limited the goal to taking Kyiv.

They can strike anywhere in Ukraine with the missiles. And they prove it regularly (daily). When talking about air superiority - is they don't have bombing ability over the front lines at ease. But missiles, they can and do. Yet, most of the bridges to Poland are intact.


Whatever the "original" plan was, it has been 100+ days since it became clear it's not worked. The bridges still stand. The gas still flows. The Ukrainian TV is still broadcasting. It means Kremlin does not want to destroy them yet. And me (and many other Russian folks around) ask the same question again and again, why... ? Either, there're still hopes to "reach a mutually acceptable agreement with dear business partners" as some observers believe , or Kremlin wants to drain Western help as much as possible to worsen economic standing of the West (even at cost of soldiers' lives).

[RoyaleWithCheese]

How does he have such accurate numbers?

Does he have a list of names? Maybe he should publish them if he does.