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Old 07-14-2022, 11:36 AM
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62155445
SOS Blinken says Russia has forcibly deported 900,000 to 1.6 million Ukrainians. We know the Russians have done this to some extent, but this is the first time I've seen such high numbers put on it.
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Old 07-14-2022, 11:40 AM
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https://www.understandingwar.org/
Russia recruiting hard for its army. Seems like they realize they are in for a long, hard slog:

"The Kremlin likely ordered Russian “federal subjects” (regions) to form volunteer battalions to participate in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, instead of declaring partial or full mobilization in Russia. Russian war correspondent and milblogger Maksim Fomin stated that Russia has begun a “volunteer mobilization,” where every region must generate at least one volunteer battalion. The term “volunteer mobilization” likely implies that the Kremlin ordered the 85 “federal subjects” (regions, including occupied Sevastopol and Crimea) to recruit and financially incentivize volunteers to form new battalions, rather than referring to literal mobilization relying on conscription or the compulsory activation of all reservists in Russia. Russian outlets reported that regional officials recruit men up to 50 years old (or 60 for separate military specialties) for six-month contracts and offer salaries averaging 220,000 to 350,000 rubles per month (approximately $3,750 to $6,000). Separate regions offer an immediate enlistment bonus that averages 200,000 rubles (approximately $3,400) issued from the region‘s budget and social benefits for the servicemen and their families...."
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Old 07-14-2022, 11:41 AM
 
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There's a few things I think we could do by way of a more aggressive response, that are short of an all out aerial assault:

- Use NATO naval power to break Russia's Black Sea blockade and allow Ukrainian grain shipments. This is justifiable due to the reliance of third world nations on Ukrainian grain

- Block any Russian ships from traveling through the Bosporus to the Mediterranean.

- Block off the corridor connecting Kaliningrad to Russia.

- Beef up NATO forces in Finland, Estonia and Latvia, forcing Putin to divert more troops to those border regions.
This is not a Russia apologist response. I am not in favor of Russia in any way.
You need to understand why Russia is the way it is militarily and politically. Historically, Russia has not flexed much muscle in terms of extending its hegemony. They are nervous about NATO on their doorstep what with the former Soviet Union nations along their western front joining NATO. They are worried about the mass immigration out of Africa and Asia. Not all have, namely Belarus. Russia, after WWII and with the deal between the US, England, et al., allowed Russia to control the eastern front. Russia swore they would never allow another invasion on their motherland soil. And they haven't. I believe, as others do, that they were heavy handed after WWII and ruled the eastern front countries with an iron hand, hence the Iron Curtain moniker. Afghanistan they admitted was a huge mistake. We were warned by them, but allowed ourselves to fall into the same 20-year trap that gained us nothing. It's obvious now why the US pulled out so abruptly. The US made a deal and traded Afghanistan for Taiwan. China wanted the precious metals in Afghanistan. The Chinese have been doing this for years with their Belt and Road initiative. They move into Africa, offer to build roads and dams in exchange for mineral rights. China now also sits on 70% of the world's grain. They are buying up American land in record numbers of deals. Notice the two hotspots: China and Ukraine. Who had a son that had dealings in both places. Who is likely making deals to pay off debts? Analysts now believe this is the reason behind all of this. We are giving Ukraine too much. We owe them nothing. They will never be a member of NATO. Turkey will not allow it and other EU nations are opposed to it, despite what the news says. Ukraine will be a decades-long money pit. The Russians are about to move on Odessa. If they take Odessa, Ukraine is lost to western intervention. They will have encircled the only path for the west to intervene. People that know about these issues like Joel Skousen, who predicted the Russian invasion of Ukraine 7 years ago, think we will not escape a confrontation with Russia. He also thinks the eyes should be on North Korea invading South Korea. NK does nothing without OK from China. China is not building dredged airfields in the middle of the Pacific Ocean for nothing. They want to control the entire Pacific region. Russia is now selling them more oil and gas, which further destabilizes the US dollar as reserve currency.

Russia is European, but it isn't. Half of the country is considered Asia. Russia spans 11 time zones. Russia doesn't want immigrants like the EU is being overrun with. I get that and agree with that notion. They don't want American or other military bases on their doorstep. I get that. We really have no business being anywhere near them as it causes agitation. Remember when the Russians had missile bases in Cuba. The US went apoplectic. No one wants this. Russia wants to be left alone. Why did they invade Ukraine? They say it's because Ukraine is filled with neo-nazis. There is some truth to this, as Ukraine has a very high number of far right nationalists. In reality, Russia wants Ukraine for the bread basket, military industrial complex, and warm water sea ports. If they can take Ukraine, there is some talk of Ukraine being subsumed back into Russia and Belarus joining as well. Belarus has long been a Russia/Soviet Union apologist. A goodly portion of Balarusian people are in favor of this re-joining. In effect, Russia wants the Soviet Union back. There has long been an undercurrent of this in Russia. Interviews of Russian people indicate a sizable number of them miss the old Soviet Union.

Russia and China are working feverishly to ensure the US dollar is not the reserve currency. This is working better than expected. If this happens, the US will see a depression the likes its never seen.
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Old 07-14-2022, 11:54 AM
 
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https://www.understandingwar.org/
Russia recruiting hard for its army. Seems like they realize they are in for a long, hard slog:

"The Kremlin likely ordered Russian “federal subjects” (regions) to form volunteer battalions to participate in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, instead of declaring partial or full mobilization in Russia. Russian war correspondent and milblogger Maksim Fomin stated that Russia has begun a “volunteer mobilization,” where every region must generate at least one volunteer battalion. The term “volunteer mobilization” likely implies that the Kremlin ordered the 85 “federal subjects” (regions, including occupied Sevastopol and Crimea) to recruit and financially incentivize volunteers to form new battalions, rather than referring to literal mobilization relying on conscription or the compulsory activation of all reservists in Russia. Russian outlets reported that regional officials recruit men up to 50 years old (or 60 for separate military specialties) for six-month contracts and offer salaries averaging 220,000 to 350,000 rubles per month (approximately $3,750 to $6,000). Separate regions offer an immediate enlistment bonus that averages 200,000 rubles (approximately $3,400) issued from the region‘s budget and social benefits for the servicemen and their families...."

I am subscribed to his channel, so if he is reporting that, Russia is up to something.

( But I'll check on more details later.)
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Old 07-14-2022, 12:50 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Due to it's national mobilization Ukraine...in theory...will have the manpower to retake land back to it's 2014 borders. That manpower must be trained though and have ample weaponry available. You will see a Ukrainian Counter-offensive...how well they perform during this offensive will tell the story. But it is definitely within the realm of possibility they are successful. What we are watching right now resembles WW1. Neither side has sufficient infantry for large maneuvers and lean on their artillery for small advancements. This appears to be the ending of the beginning of the war....the next stage will be much more telling.

Here is an excellent podcast of the current situation and future outlook.

https://www.cfr.org/podcasts/long-wa...&utm_source=tw
While Ukraine can use its entire military to defend itself, Russia may use only a portion of theirs. Russia dare not leave all its borders open and bases unmanned - and there are a lot of them!
There were originally 150,000 troops deployed to Ukraine. That should tell you what Russia thought about Ukrainian resistance; they thought they had an overwhelming force! The number is hard to guess now, but most sources guess around 200,000 +-.
That's not enough. A well armed Ukraine can repel that number, and Ukraine IS becoming well armed.


There were Russian army forces in Syria. Those are now being withdrawn and sent to Ukraine. Officially the number is 60,000 in Syria, but some people doubt there are even 20,000.


If the 35,000 Russian KIA is accepted, it implies another 70,000 wounded.
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Old 07-14-2022, 01:56 PM
 
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Communism is back, baby. Back to the USSR.
The “special economic measures” are a great way to reward and enrich the loyal oligarchs.

‘“…According to one of the drafts, the state will be able to purchase goods and services necessary for conducting military special operations from a single supplier without the need for a competitive tender...”

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ls-2022-07-06/
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Old 07-14-2022, 03:03 PM
 
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The “special economic measures” are a great way to reward and enrich the loyal oligarchs.

‘“…According to one of the drafts, the state will be able to purchase goods and services necessary for conducting military special operations from a single supplier without the need for a competitive tender...”

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ls-2022-07-06/
Whoa! No-bid contracts ... this is the goose that lays the golden eggs.

In a society like Russia, this will certainly have piqued the interest of the many grifters in local provinces. Champaign and caviar times.
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Old 07-14-2022, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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Blinken is creepy. All he thinks about is making the war go on and on. Russia is clearly winning. Zelensky keeps milking the cash cow. Her udder$ have atrophied. He's a big joke. Johnny one note : gimmee.....
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Old 07-14-2022, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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Putin was supposedly on deaths doorstep. LIES. He gives great speeches about the west and our habit of accusing him of doing things we have been doing for many many decades. We are not invincible. Ukraine aside, he has managed to shake politics up big time. He stands up to Zionists too. All of this could have been prevented, but most Americans are too lazy to do background research.
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Old 07-14-2022, 07:10 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Putin was supposedly on deaths doorstep. LIES. He gives great speeches about the west and our habit of accusing him of doing things we have been doing for many many decades. We are not invincible. Ukraine aside, he has managed to shake politics up big time. He stands up to Zionists too. All of this could have been prevented, but most Americans are too lazy to do background research.
Russia did the same garbage in the mid-to-late 1700's under Czarina Catherine, during WWII with the annexation of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, part of Finland and part of Poland, and with the suppression of the Hungarian Revolution of 1956, the Czech Spring of 1968 and Poland's Solidarity in 1981. Russia will forever be the bully nation in need of a spanking and containment. It doesn't matter if they're called Czarist, Communist or as now crony-capitalist/Fascist.

Regarding the bolded do you have a problem with Jewish people?
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